11 Aug 2010 6:39 PM:

This is a very good idea and initiative.

I support it and have already filled in the requested info and encourage everyone else to do the same

OGO

Community thread: BANK GUARANTEES PETITION IMPORTANT PLEASE FILL IN THE ONLINE FORM

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18 Mar 2010 12:00 AM:

It seems today that we have at least two associacions, platforms, forums, cooperatives, or what you would like to call them:  www.afectadostrampolin.com and http://www.asociacionafectadostrampolin.com
 

Could someone please in a SIMPLE and EASY way explain to me if the people behind these sites works towards the same goal???

My perception is like we are now in a war of religion, but we worship the same God. History has shown that nothing good comes out of battles like this - except that the oposition (the devil - if you like) gets stronger

Confusianism - I do not know how to trust, but we all need to be perceived in a proffessional and sensible manner.

So for me, being on the safe side, I have chosen to support ALL good forces working towards solving this situation one way or the other. with or without money -

The only person I really thrust, in all of this, is myself. I do my own judgements and take my own decisions - and no one gets very far with me by "scaring me" to chose their side

With two different groups we can risk confusion and "internal" battles that will defragment what we all are trying to achieve. But then again I could be wrong and it is the same...I am confused!!! 

We must join forces as a minimum towards the good things that are now happening towards the European Union -

Together with EU we could influence the Spanish Authorities to give Guarantees (maybe even together with the European Union) to get the building started. This will solve some of the unemployment problems in Spain and give the European Union a good story to tell (win win situation is always the easiest way)

That is at least my thoughts for tonight.

Stay tuned and keep up all the good work

OGO

Community thread: confusing; associations, platforms and cooperatives

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19 Dec 2009 7:12 PM:

dear Zxcvbnm

I find it kind of annoying that you post your promotion to the "new forum" every time someone else is posting an opinion in this forum

Remember there is a lot of us that use this forum and we have a history and are used to post on this site, so please let us continue with that.

No offence - I think what you are trying to do is good, but I would also like this forum to be open as well.

OGO

Community thread: We should plan to involve the Spanish Government and/or EU

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18 Dec 2009 10:35 PM:

I posted this message to YourEurope representing the  European Union:

I talk also on behalf of several UK, Irish, Swedish and Norwegian customers that has bought house/apartement in this project.

The project has been started without proper licenses, without bank guarantees and a lot of other issues that should have made spanish authorities to take action to stop the project.

More than 1800 apartement/houses are sold (to both international and spanish citizens)and the short story is that the project and the builder are now put under administration and liquidation negotiation are ongoing in Murcia. We fear that the money we have paid in are lost.

We, as customers in Spain, need a place in the EU organisation to file a complaint towards the Spanish authorities that allows such a project to get this far without all formalities in place. We feel that a "controlling institution" in spain should have stopped the sale before more than 1800 properties was sold - (the amount we are talking about is more than 50 million € just in upfront payment)

please send me a reply on the e-mail address above or give me a call on the phone to discuss, get more info and give some feedback.

Best Regards
OGO
 

And i Got this as a reply:

 

Reply
Dear citizen

I am afraid that despite your difficult situation, the only way to enforce your rights is going before the national courts. I’ll try to explain you why EC law has no competences in this case.

We are talking about what it seems to be a real-state fraud. If the city town hall and the builder sent your houses and properties saying that they were legal, and they are not, (because they didn’t have the proper licences, bank guarantees and other documents), and in addition, the builder has gone bankrupt and they have to be placed under an administration and liquidation procedure, the only way to enforce your rights is to go before the national courts. Only Spanish Criminal Law has competence on it.

In addition to the possibility of making a formal complaint before the national courts, you can address to the Ombudsman. He is competent to supervise the activity of all the
Public Administrations: Central Government Authorities, Autonomous Communities’ Administrations and Local Government. The complaint or request, always in writing and signed, may be presented personally at the Ombudsman’s office or by post, fax or over the Internet, in this case filling in the form that is available on the institution’s web site.

http://www.defensordelpueblo.es/


 

 

So my suggestion is that we all have to make a formal compaint to the ombudsmann in Spain

Anyone volounteer to write a proposal to a letter that we all can post to this Ombudsmann???

 

Community thread: We should plan to involve the Spanish Government and/or EU

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09 Dec 2009 8:00 PM:

Exellent work sollel.

I have posted my complaint and i would urge others to do the same.  I just pasted in your spanish text in one of the boxes - I hope thats enough...

Regarding EU:

Does anyone know a similar place to post a complaint towards the European Union. I have tried to get some recommendation from norwegian officials of where to contact EU - but they really did not know, they would check up on it and phone me back.

I have found several EU sites that maybe could be used, They are: 

- "Your Europe",
- A network called "Solvit",
- A network called the "european consumers network" and
- "Europe Direct",

but when we file complaints we must do it into one "hotspot" so that we can get heard - and follow up with mails and phonecalls!!!

Does someone know which website in the Union that we shall post complaints to to make it "burn"?

OGO

Community thread: BUYERS FOR THE BUILDING OF TRAMPOLIN HILLS

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