26 Apr 2012 3:40 PM:

Tell me about it.  Hear Hear could not agree more

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26 Apr 2012 10:41 AM:

Hi again

Please read the Brussels directive, I do not think it can get much plainer, but specifically read 2nd page Architectural and Town Planning Obstacles - again it could not be more clearer.

Yes I agree if a foolish Administrator wanted to take his community into expensive court action, set against all this legal framework - then so be it !   Shame on the community then for letting him!   As I have said it is up to the administrators if they feel this is wrong to take the co owner to court, it is not for the co owner to do it!

Also - in a few years time - we might have a little box to usb into our TVs that will translate all languages at a push of a button, even perhaps ET's!  Sorry if we all wait for tomorrow we will miss out on the todays...........I have'nt got time to worry about tomorrow - I could be dead!  I will settle for what is happening now thank you.

I do appreciate devil advocates though because they make you think and stretch your brain prior to the old alzheimer's kicking in.

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25 Apr 2012 11:34 PM:

Christine

One further point - you state that the community have stated only 80cm dishes can be used, I am sure that if you look in full at the Brussels directive on the "Services:Commission sets out right to use a satellite dish in the Internal Market" the IP/01/913 it specifically in the first boldened paragraph states that 'free to use satellite dishes without undue technical, administrative, urban planning or tax obstacles"  - I suggest you stick a copy of this in which ever language needed under your Presidente's nose and tell him community rules are not only illegal because of the Royal Decree but specifically naming 80m puts him in breach of Brussels/European Directive too!

Then give him the rest of the documents if he still argues, and a written letter of three months notice, and then after that time has elapsed just erect whatever you want (even on the outside of your balcony) if you wish, and let him take you to court if he thinks he has a case!  but be mindful of your neighbours.

 

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25 Apr 2012 11:20 PM:

With respect to the last posts on this second page, and especially to the Adminastradores, as I have pointed out on the first page you have a legal right to watch TV in your own language in Spain or any european country.  I posted all the documents you need to prove this, and with regard to the town hall rules - I posted that my town hall - Fuengirola states they do not like aerials and dishes but that their edict to take them down is subject to the laws of the land  and the laws state that you can.

Regarding community rules, under Horizontal Property Law a community cannot make rules that go against the laws of the land!!! Terminado - finito - full stop!

Finally the only way you can be in the wrong is if you are in a new building that already has a built in  infrastructure that allows all residents to see all the languages they require in that community (this is usually done as the place is built) or at some point someone has asked the community to provide this and if this is provided within three months of requesting if not - you are legally free to put up whatever you need to receive whatever your language is in the way of TV. 

Also do not be informed tht you wish to commit an illegal act by watching Sky - so that negates your legal right to watch TV - there are over 200 channels up there bouncing off satellites all free to the viewer and nothing to do with Sky - and that is what you should be going for, not a connection to Sky that will cost you loads of money, or to cable which is the same.

As a note to my first report, the community had its extraordinary meeting on this subject and it was decided that a dual system will be incorporated on the roof of our building feeding all 75 flats with both Spanish TV and Free to View TV and the community as a whole is paying for it.  So all ended well.

Stick to your guns, produce the paperwork in English and Spanish and keep pushing - you will get there because all you are asking for is a legal right that by Royal Decree you are allowed in Spain.

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14 Apr 2012 2:31 PM:

Hi Dave

My apologies I did not compute that last paragraph re 'corrie' - in those circumstances - no - no individual would be allowed to have their satellite dish if a comunal alternative was present.

 However, my community has stated that they do not want to look into a satelite dish for the foreignors and if one was erected then the foreignors would have to pay.  Which is fine, except they expect us to pay for their proposed tv community installation which will only transmit spanish TV and as soon as we have paid for it and it is up and running - we the foreignors must remove all aerials and satellite dishes forthwith!  So pay for the new TV so that I have no TV - is not my idea of being reasonable. 

The interesting thing is that the foreignors nearly represent half of the community.  Hence we are exercising our right now not to pay for the Spanish TV installation and hold on to our satelite dishes.

Zena143

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