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18 Apr 2017 12:19 by hugh_man Star rating in Kent/Roda . 1349 posts Send private message

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So now we do get the opportunity to effectively have a second referendum.

Support TM version of Brexit OR vote her out.





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18 Apr 2017 12:28 by briando55 Star rating in Yorkshire. 1560 posts Send private message

Good. Some clarity an unity should come from it.  

Good decision.   



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18 Apr 2017 12:34 by perrypower1 Star rating in Derbyshire/Fuerteven.... 537 posts Send private message

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On Easter Sunday May said, Britons are coming together and uniting after the Brexit vote.

Today she says, The people are coming together but Westminister isn't.

I guess she wants to find out which one is true.  Technically, she has picked a time when the otehr parties are weak so it seems like a good strategy, but I can't imagine she will secure the majority she is hoping for.  There is just too much unhappiness not linked with Brexit for core Labour or core LDP to vote Conservative.

I t will be an interesting couple of months.

 


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18 Apr 2017 13:41 by hugh_man Star rating in Kent/Roda . 1349 posts Send private message

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Brave decision but very probably right decision, I do wonder though if it will help with unity or just prolong and entrench the opposing views.

No doubt the differences will remain in Scotland and NI but sadly Scotland appears to have more MPs per head of population than Yorkshire, so not always as representative, but hey ho, that is our democracy for now,

As pp says, an interesting few months.

 





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18 Apr 2017 14:44 by briando55 Star rating in Yorkshire. 1560 posts Send private message

I do think she was on a hiding to nothing with being called an unelected PM, and a remainder, and the opposition parties saying the public didn't  vote for this and that and the other. 

So brave yes, but fairly definitive if re elected, even on a reduced majority.  It cleans a lot of arguments up do you think?



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18 Apr 2017 17:15 by hugh_man Star rating in Kent/Roda . 1349 posts Send private message

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I hope you are right about clearing things up but I'm sure the remainders orvdoubters will see it like that unless she wins a landslide, which won't be easy.

Interesting that Tory vote has soared in opinion polls in Scotland to strong second but unlikely to win more seats.

I only ever refer back to %vote in 2015 election, no reflection on MPs elected.

but popular vote

Tory 39%

UKIP 14%

Lib Dem collapsed

i know not all tories voted OUT but not all Labour and others voted in.

Interesting that 52% voted for a party offering a referendum or a party that definitely wanted out and Lib Dems, convinced remainers  lost masses of votes.

If that trend continues I would say the arguments maybe over but who knows?

s Farron not Corbyn  maybe the key.





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18 Apr 2017 17:18 by tteedd Star rating in Hertfordshire & Punt.... 886 posts Send private message

The opinion polls will be interesting.

Any predictions for the result?

Putting my neck on the line I would predict a reasonable majority for the Conservatives but not as wide as the current 21% lead would indicate.

It looks as if The Lib Dems may gain from their recent undemocratic Brexit stance, but Labour and the Conservatives may gain votes if UKIP cannot afford to stand in all seats.

The situation in Scotland is difficult to assess. Will leavers still vote for the Nationalists? Will left wing socialists return to Labour? Will the Conservatives continue to improve?

Will the pollsters do better than they have done in recent polls?





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18 Apr 2017 17:53 by Mickyfinn Star rating. 1334 posts Send private message

If you support the Tory Party then I accept you would probably agree this is a smart decision. Smart because the tide will turn against the Tories and TM after Brexit if no agreements are reached and the economy inevitably falters. That risked defeat in 2020 so it's better to fix the roof whilst the sun still shines.

This way with little effective opposition the Tories can enjoy political power for another five years and weather any Brexit storms.

It amazes me that politicians say one thing one minute (no general election until 2020) and do a complete volte face another. Given that trait why one earth anyone takes notice of them on any other issues defeats me.

Probably the answer is because there is no real other option.





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18 Apr 2017 18:07 by briando55 Star rating in Yorkshire. 1560 posts Send private message

I don't support the Tory party Micky.  But they can hardly be blamed for the lack of opposition 



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18 Apr 2017 18:07 by briando55 Star rating in Yorkshire. 1560 posts Send private message

I don't support the Tory party Micky.  But they can hardly be blamed for the lack of opposition 



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18 Apr 2017 18:40 by newworld Star rating. 863 posts Send private message

Don't they all say one thing and do another, I can't see many people forgetting the LibDems u turn on student fees a few years ago, Liars





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18 Apr 2017 18:57 by hugh_man Star rating in Kent/Roda . 1349 posts Send private message

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I'm not a Lib Dem supporter or even a great supporter of politicians but the fact remains

Someone has to do the job and they have to try and please as many voters as possible.

It is one thing to promise something in opposition, then being asked to govern in coalition.

Easy to whinge and complain in opposition, not so easy to please everyone when difficult decisions have to be made.

Inthink even Mr Trump is discovering that.

America first??





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18 Apr 2017 19:53 by tteedd Star rating in Hertfordshire & Punt.... 886 posts Send private message

Don't support the Lib Dems but I do beleive they deserved better from their supporters at the last election. When push came to shove the Lib Dems stepped up and helped govern. But it appears that their supporters never expected them to govern and just wanted a depository for a protest vote.

I also believe in free or low cost university education but, with the numbers Blair committed us to and the debt Brown left us with, it was just not afordable.

As Hugh indicates you can make any No of promises if you do not expect to have to find the money and implement them.





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18 Apr 2017 19:58 by tteedd Star rating in Hertfordshire & Punt.... 886 posts Send private message

"Smart because the tide will turn against the Tories and TM after Brexit if no agreements are reached and the economy inevitably falters."

 

And also smart because, if Micky's doom and gloom does not come to pass, they will probably have the majority to be able to choose the timing of the following election to suit themselves.

 


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18 Apr 2017 22:03 by briando55 Star rating in Yorkshire. 1560 posts Send private message

I think it will be interesting to see how focused the opposition will be on home issues, and how much they will allow themselves to be looking at central  issues

i will be surprised if sturgeon doesn't compare TM decision to her not getting a referendum.  

Labour and lib dems?    All about Brexit and off the cliff and were doomed 

discuss!!!!



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18 Apr 2017 22:36 by Tadd1966 Star rating in Los Montesinos. 1709 posts Send private message

Good decision to have a general election amd predicted a while ago on the brexit thread and yet another u turn 



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19 Apr 2017 08:08 by Mickyfinn Star rating. 1334 posts Send private message

What this general election actually is although many in politics will deny it, is a second referendum on leaving the European Union. Remainers now have a chance to stop a hard Brexit and the Conservative Party from taking Britain over an economic cliff edge.

The chance remainers have is to en masse vote for the Liberal Democrats. That may not prevent a Tory majority but it will throw a spanner into the Brexit works. Fingers crossed, hope springs eternal that Britain may yet still remain part of the EU.





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19 Apr 2017 08:24 by windtalker Star rating. 1049 posts Send private message

The decision to hold a General Election ...Will shut up the all the other party's... especially  Labour and the SNP that don't have clear mandates... Mrs T May will have a clear mandates that will set out the future of the UK ..The Conservative party has thrown their hat into the ring and called all the other party's bluffs.one thing i would like to add is if your MP overturned a majority vote in the Brexit referendum with his one vote DO NOT VOTE FOR THAT PARTY.our Labour MP overturned a majority of 69% that voted OUT in the referendum with her one vote when she voted IN ..i have already told her it was not democratic what she had done and that i would not be voting for Labour again.





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19 Apr 2017 08:28 by briando55 Star rating in Yorkshire. 1560 posts Send private message

I think differently mickey. 

I think it shows the way a democracy that remains progressive, is working through its own debate and transparency which actually shows how it's set apart from the one it's voting to leave.  

The talking and actions of the opposition in UK parliament with legal challenge, House of Lords criticism and cliff edge comments has created a pressure cooker of challenge, which TM has reacted to quite positively.   I believe comments about u turns in the press belong to the Mrs T era and have no place right now.   

When you look at the Scottish comments, they have their own issues in even making the number of seats they did last time, which was unprecedented.   The Irish parliament is effectively a non government right now, they have major issues in their own governance.   

A general election right now is exactly what is required, it is absolutely nothing to do with any second referendum but will no doubt be debated in a way that includes the future of our negotiation to leave, and I guess even the EU will say they are happy for this to take place, based on the unity of our future negotiations.  

Its brave by TM, who I am forming a more and more grudging respect for.   And please be aware that if I, from my heartland and generations of voters, can form respect for such a tough Tory leader, prepare for some surprises around!!!

As for remaining in the EU, not a snow balls chance in hell, is my opinion.  

I reckon the moderators will be glad this post will only run until June.  Ha


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19 Apr 2017 09:18 by Mickyfinn Star rating. 1334 posts Send private message

One of the difficulties for the remain camp is the fact that the consumer in Britain has kept the economy afloat post referendum by excessive borrowing. The rhetoric of the fear factor by remain was overdone during the referendum. This has emboldened Brexit supporters believing or rather using this factor that Brexit will not have any economic impact on the country.

Apart from the fall in Sterling’s value in reality nothing yet has changed since the vote, Britain still enjoys all the benefits of EU membership, except for one important factor many people are ignoring. That is foreign investment is falling. It is a barometer of how global investors see Britain’s future economic performance outside the EU.

Had the UK economy taken the promised hit immediately from the referendum result political sentiment would be very different. As things stand it’s a win win for Theresa May who can claim to be the peoples champion bringing home the referendum result and seeing off the remain fears of leaving the EU.

Those fears and expected consequences of Brexit are still very real. They have not gone away. The country is in a post referendum honeymoon period which will end abruptly if May fails to reach a good deal with the EU. Of course by that time the Tory Party will have a five year mandate with probably an increased majority to do whatever they choose. It will all be too late to do anything about the direction of the nation. I predict Thatcherism mark 11 until the center ground of politics is regained by future generations.

That’s a consequence of Britain having currently a useless ineffective political opposition.





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