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Why shouldn't Brtish expats receive the Winter Fuel Allowance?
Thursday, February 28, 2013 @ 1:09 PM

There's a lot of press coverage - both in Spain and in the UK - about whether or not British expat pensioners should continue to receive the Winter Fuel Allowance. To my way of thinking, there's no contest - of course they should. What everyone seems to forget is that State pensions and allowances are not gifts to pensioners - it's what they've paid in for all their working lives through National Insurance contributions. Today's pensioners didn't have the option of leaving school and living off the State, so they worked from Day One.

Everywhere it seems, people complain about British expats who refuse to pay their dues to the Hacienda. We'd love to pay Income Tax in our adopted country, because we feel that would be the right thing to do, but as my husband Tony is a retired Civil Servant, his pension has to be paid in Sterling and taxed in the UK, so we have no options there.

Many people assume that because Civil Service pensions are non-contributory, pensioners get something for nothing, but that's not the case. Tony was a Civil Service employee from the day he left school and started his apprenticeship until he took early retirement at the age of 52, and every time he had a pay rise, part of it was kept back as a pension credit. We've got a pretty good pension, and a pretty good standard of living, but it wasn't handed to us on a plate.

The main argument against expats getting the Winter Fuel Allowance is that  it's not needed in Spain, the land of Sun, Sea and Sangria. Obviously the people who put forward these arguments have never been here in January and February. As I write this, the gas fire is turned up full because the wind and rain in Spain isn't falling mainly on the plain today - it's here with us in Algorfa.

Electricity in the UK is expensive, but it's even more expensive here, and the Winter Fuel Allowance helps us to stay within budget. We left the UK because my joint problems and Tony's breathing issues meant that both of us were spending more time at the doctor's surgery than at home, and we were taking stupid amounts of medication. Spending winter in Spain means that both of us are much healthier, and we don't need industrial quantities of pain killers, inhalers and anti-inflammatory drugs to keep us going. We're probably saving the UK more on health services than they're paying us in Winter Fuel Allowance.

So to everyone who says we should give up the Winter Fuel Allowance, I say we've paid our dues - and continue to do so, as we're still paying Income Tax in the UK. Therefore, we're entitled to it - unlike people with fictitious wives and families who are bleeding the country dry with false benefit claims.



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Sam said:
Thursday, February 28, 2013 @ 3:09 PM

Agree, you should get heating allowance !
However think my kids should get Child Benefit but as I told the truth that we live in Spain they don't !


Sandra Piddock said:
Thursday, February 28, 2013 @ 3:30 PM

Sam, that's disgraceful. You can understand why people just don't tell the truth and take the chance that they won't get caught.

A friend of ours worked in Australia for 14 years, before returning to the UK, where he worked until he retired. When he left the UK for Spain, he was also honest, and told the UK authorities that he was becoming a Spanish resident. As a result, they discounted his 14 years in Australia, and he has a smaller state pension. Had he said nothing, he would have had his full state pension.

It all seems rather ironic, in the light of the MPs expenses scandal. They talk about benefit fraud by expats, but that lot at Westminster are the biggest benefit frauds of the lot!


Sam said:
Thursday, February 28, 2013 @ 4:51 PM

Agree, dishonest seems to pay, however I can't bring myself to be dishonest ! Hey ho just how it is !


Angie said:
Friday, March 1, 2013 @ 2:08 PM

I think that some Expat pensioners should receive a winter fuel allowance, but here is the supposedly controversial bit, I think it should be means tested - thereby allowing the most needy maybe to receive slighly more.

Sam - hadn't though about expats with child benefit (no kids) - thats a hard one, though again something that I think should be means tested too and fairly and not the way the current government plan or want to do it. Maybe it should be along the lines of how long you have contributed into the scheme denotes how much you are entitled to recive in child benefit. But I am sure there are better people out there more qualified than me that have other ideas too.

But yes - it seems these days honesty invariably doesnt pay..sad but true!


Sandra Piddock said:
Friday, March 1, 2013 @ 3:06 PM

Angie, I agree with you - it shouldn't be a universal benefit. On the other hand, the bar shouldn't be set so low that most people fail the means test. And that's what tends to happen when they set levels.

Tony says he doesn't really want allowances and benefits - just a reasonable pension. And most of the people we talk to say the same. Like you, I'm no sort of expert, but if pensioners weren't taxed on their pension, they wouldn't need these allowances. I think it's disgraceful that people are taxed on their state pensions, which they've paid for through National Insurance contributions.

If you have a company or private pension, you end up being taxed on the old age pension, and that on it's own isn't enough to live on. As most people have also paid into private pensions, or foregone some percentage of their pay rise for company pensions, they're effectively being taxed twice. No government will ever agree to that, but we can dream, can't we?


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