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Taking out a mortgage to get my '5 a Day'
Sunday, May 12, 2013 @ 10:23 AM

Now that Elizabeth is more or less out of danger and we don't need to spend quite so much time at the hospital, I've decided to get back into the routine of cooking every day, rather than relying on hospital canteen meals, takeaways and the kindness of friends. It's going to be a marathon rather than a sprint, so we need to establish some sort of routine.

The supply of fruit and vegetables we brought over from Spain is now exhausted - as are we, in fact - so yesterday I went shopping for the ingredients for my legendary vegetable soup, and a chicken casserole for Sunday lunch. One of the many things I love about Spain is that fruit and vegetables are always sold in season, and are therefore very tasty and very cheap. I knew I was going to have to pay more for my 5 a Day here in Devon, but I didn't realise just how much more expensive it would be.

500 grams of peppers - an ingredient I can't manage without since moving to Spain - cost me £1.68, yet the last lot of peppers I bought at my favourite Spanish market worked out at less than 1 Euro a kilo. Maths isn't my strong point, but that's about half the price for double the quantity, so my feeble brain has calculated that I'm paying around 4 times the price for peppers here. To add insult to injury, they're very bland tasting and quite small - my bag of 500 grams contains five peppers, whereas the ones I buy in Spain are large enough to feed a family of 27, and have a wonderful flavour. Well, maybe 27's a bit of an exaggeration, but you get the picture.

We live among the orange groves on the Costa Blanca, so freshly squeezed orange juice each morning is a particular treat. We're so used to it that I was even prepared to buy oranges over here to continue the tradition, when our bargain bag of 6 kilos for 1.50 Euro ran out after ten days or so. I paid £1 for a bag of Valencian oranges on special offer, only to find that there was just enough juice for a glass each. Not only that, the exquisite signature flavour of the Valencian orange was missing completely.

I was telling this to a Spanish friend who sells her father's oranges on the markets, and asking her why Valencian oranges lose their flavour when they cross the English Channel. She said it's because they are kept in cold storage on the journey - oranges and lemons give up most juice and flavour at room temperature. Talking of lemons, I've had to pay 50p for 3. I can buy a kilo for less than that in Spain, but this was a real emergency. I can't drink my vodka and lemonade without ice and a slice, so needs must.

Basically, all the fruits and vegetables we know and love are far more expensive in the UK, and I really can't see why that should be. When things quieten down on the hospital front, I'll go in search of bargains. A friend told me that Aldi and Lidl have the best value fruit and vegetables of all, but there isn't one on the route into hospital, so for now, it looks like taking out a mortgage to ensure we get our 5 a Day. Rip Off Britain strikes again!

 



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eggcup said:
Sunday, May 12, 2013 @ 3:30 PM

Hey Sandra, surely some stuff must be cheaper and sometimes even better here - potatoes, apples, other root vegetables, mushrooms? Although it's not the season for much yet, I suppose. I have always hated Spanish apples and found them enormous and tasteless and it's always been really tricky in the south to get decent raspberries. You did well on the lemons though - they usually cost me more like a pound for three in the UK.
On the whole, I find we eat differently in the UK to when we're in Spain - cooking completely different things, but on balance, we probably eat healthier in Spain, because there are fewer ready-made temptations in the shops.


Sandra Piddock said:
Sunday, May 12, 2013 @ 9:41 PM

Eggcup, it must be great minds think alike or small ones seldom differ, but let's go for the first option, shall we?

I was actually thinking that, to balance things, I should write a post about the stuff that's cheaper in the UK - such as potatoes, apples and milk, for instance. Watch this space!


Ray McClair said:
Monday, May 13, 2013 @ 12:50 PM

Ive got to say Sandra that you come across as one of the many people I bump into in Spain (ex pats who are now residents) who cannot for the life of them admit that Spain isnt really all its cracked up to be (apart from the climate) and that the UK is, by definition, a terrible place. I often wonder how many of these people would live in Spain if the climate was exactly as it is in the UK. Not many is my guess. Im obvioulsy not aware of your situation, but I find this attitude common amongst those who have 'burned their bridges' with the UK and simply have no option but to stay in Spain long term - they have no escape plan if they needed one. Its as if they have to 'big' Spain up and 'do down' the UK in order to kid themselves that they would never want to go back - or indeed have anything at all to do with it again. 90% of my reasoning to spend a reasonably long time (4 months annually) in Spain (im property owner without residency) is simply the climate.
Spain is a corrupt, bordering on 3rd world, in parts, country that is in the middle of an economic meltdown. Hence the problems. Some of the reasons that there are problems is that they dont know how to manage. A good example is the ridiculous council tax bills which are far too low really. Tax avoidance is another - with expats being particularly guilty there (ironically).They are the architects of their own downfall - and spanish residents pay the price for perceived good value when it comes to other issues later on. I think you should try and be less biased. I love both countries but on balance I feel the UK is a better place to be.


Sandra Piddock said:
Monday, May 13, 2013 @ 1:11 PM

Ray, I don't think you can have read my posts that well, or you'd know that I haven't burned my bridges at all. I have a UK base, and I love to spend time there - it's not a question of 'bigging up' Spain and 'doing down' the UK at all - I just write about my own observations. Clearly yours are different.

And I'm certainly not biased - I've written a balancing piece today about things that are cheaper in the UK.

If the climates were identical, I'd still choose to spend most of my time in Spain, because overall, the cost of living is cheaper, and the people are much more happy and relaxed.


Patricia (Campana) said:
Monday, May 13, 2013 @ 9:42 PM

Like you Sandra I have a base in my country of origin and have lived in Spain most of my life.
Every country has its pros and cons. I realise that it is probably easier for you to shop in a supermarket, and indeed I do too in U.K. but I prefer to shop for the vegetables and fruit at a greengrocers, farmers' market or arrange with a grower (some are organic) to provide the "box" of a selection each week or whatever.
In Spain I would do the same, buy at a small greengrocers. And we have Spanish friends who have fincas so we get lots and lots of those great lemons all the time.

Certainly it IS true that a number of expats headed for Spain, burning their bridges behind them, possibly despite advice from others to the contrary. I cannot understand how anyone could do that without a thought of what is involved in moving to another country with no bolt-hole to which they might return should things not work out. But an awful lot of people did just that.






Steve H said:
Saturday, May 18, 2013 @ 7:35 AM

@Patricia @Ray I am one of those people who 'burned their bridges', as you put it. I do not regret doing so, even though times have been difficult on occasion, here in Spain.
I think that the good things here (lifestyle, people, weather, feeling of personal security / safety in the streets etc), far outweigh the bad things (corruption, bureaucracy, H&S issues etc).
I like to visit my kids and friends and family back in the UK sometimes, but it is always a "homecoming" when the plane hits the tarmac of my local Spanish airport.
I think the difference between those with a "bolt-hole" and those without, is commitment and planning. A commitment to giving everything to their adopted home and not just 'using' and the ability to plan up front and understand exactly what that commitment means.
Having said that, your money is most welcome in the Spanish economy, so please keep coming back, however insecure you may feel :-)



Jill Allen said:
Saturday, May 18, 2013 @ 7:37 AM

Have you ever thought of shopping at market stalls in the UK? And you do know that most fruits are imported to Britain, therefore logic tells you that it is going to be more expensive than in Spain and I am not biased because I love Spain and would love to live out there again. Oranges and lemons don't grow in this country!


peterscott said:
Saturday, May 18, 2013 @ 8:14 AM

Ray Mclair has got it right,completly, it is the weather that is the draw with Spain. I bought a completly built house 3 bed 3 bath & pool only to find out one month after moving in that it was illegal
that does not happen in uk Iam told by a member of the eu parliament their are 40,000 illegal build in Spain that is their burocracy


Anne McGowan said:
Saturday, May 18, 2013 @ 10:20 AM

I was in Spain last wek with 2 friends. We always go shopping to stock up for the week and just chill. We went to a small veg shop in Torre del Mar - we bought 2 huge lettuces, 2 cu, loads of tomatoes, red and green pepper, large bag of oranges for juicing, potatoes, early broad beans, asparagus, beetroot, strawberries, potatoes, onions, bananas, apricots. This lasted the week - cost? 11 euros!!!!!! Absolute bargain. For all you ex pats coming back home to UK, be prepared to be shocked at UK prices!!!!!





Sandy n Pat said:
Saturday, May 18, 2013 @ 10:48 AM

You cannot compare the UK and Spanish lifestyles, we enjoyed seven years in Spain but are now content in the UK. We enjoyed getting up and knowing the sun was waiting, the pool, the eating out, the casual drinks with friends on the sun deck, and the laid back lifestyle. Whereas in the UK we enjoy the country pubs and meals, taking the grandchildren on outings or just having them at the house. Need something, pop down to any supermarket or store and walkout with it. Going for long or short walks most of the year without being broiled. When we left the ferry the first thing my wife noticed was the bluebells and cowslips at the roadside, I noted the british police cars without thinking we might be stopped and fined for something utterly ridiculous. A completely relaxed atmosphere. There are umpteen reasons to prefer one or the other, but we have now settled for the UK. Green peppers don't even come into it.


Pamela said:
Saturday, May 18, 2013 @ 11:02 AM

So pleased your daughter is on the mend Sandra - it must have been so scary for you all. We love the fact that the fruit and veg in season do taste so good - stop at the roadside for potatoes and oranges - this week a 2 kilos of full to bursting peas for 2 euros - gave loads to neighbours. Miss some of the foods but can get most at the coast and English shops but look forward to them as treats when we go back on holiday. The wild flowers here at the moment are pretty spectacular.

Peter Scott - so sorry to hear about your house - what are solicitors paid for out here - although in Casariche apparently even the Mayor's house is an illegal build so the people there have hopes they will be made legal - I do so hope yours is.

Sandy and Pat - know what you mean about Guardia Civil but must admit to feeling the same when a police car follows me in the U K ! Sounds as if you know how to see the good and bad and appreciate wherever you are.




Foxilady said:
Saturday, May 18, 2013 @ 11:10 AM

Hello Sandra, I lived in Devon for 3 years a few years back and couldn't believe the prices wow. I live in Surrey and buy meat from my local farm shop at great prices and fruit and veg from a market stall which is much cheaper than Spain. One poster pointed out that diets in both countries are different and this is true. I always cook from scratch and never buy prepared meals in the UK and in Spain we tend to eat only fish and vegetables as I have never been able to locate organic chickens. I have to say I find the UK better for food as there is a wider variety, as I cook a lot of Asian/foreign foods and I just cannot get the ingredients in Spain unless I travel far and wide which costs a fortune in petrol in Spain. Also I am partial to the odd cake and cakes in Spain are awful. We spend a few months every year in Spain in the winter for the sun and as I say our diet completely changes to mostly fish, ie langoustine which I adore, and this is much cheaper than the UK.


Colin said:
Saturday, May 18, 2013 @ 12:50 PM

Well we are a couple of those people who burned their bridges,to be honest if we were rich it would be nice to have a place in U.K. to send the wife to when she gets homesick I,ll stay here.Every time I go to U.K. I cant believe the prices,£4 a pint for weak beer,council tax (reported by friends to be what we live on for three months)glass of wine in pub £5.50.And I,m terrified of driving because of the unbelievable amount of speed cameras.I was driving on an unlit road,10.30 p.m. totally deserted,and bang £40 please you were doing 34 in a 30 limit.Luckily where we live we are only 20 mins from Portugal so we get the best of both worlds.


sophie said:
Saturday, May 18, 2013 @ 1:44 PM

Have been back in the UK two years now after being resident in Spain for ten happy years.We had our share of problems with bureaucracy,which caused us a lot of stress at the time.We always intended to return to the Uk eventually and kept a bolt hole here.Thank God as when my husband became ill,it doesn't matter how wonderful the Spanish Health service is ,when you start having possibly serious health problems where do you want to be,usually with your close family.

We miss the weather of course in the summer but we are much warmer here in a centrally heated house in the winter.Okay someone will say at what cost as energy is so expensive in the uk,but when we work out how much we used to spend on logs,electric from the air con units and calor gas bottle's(sometimes 3 a week.There really isn't much in it.So many people living in Spain knock the Uk,I agree they are usually the people that would never be able to go back if they wanted to.

Also i use my local market for fruit and vegetables,and of course they are more expensive than Spain,but where can you buy 3 for 2 quality british chicken,pork, beef etc.We feel we have the best of both worlds now ,living back here with peace of mind and visiting Spain as a tourist to see my Spanish and English friends


Steve said:
Saturday, May 18, 2013 @ 5:17 PM

I agree with sandra, her piece was well balanced and above all true. When you see the size of 1 lemon in Carrfour! Well there enormous, about the size of the largest baking potato you'll ever find in Waitrose, the coriander is sold in bunches most m nen in the UK would mistake for 'flowers for the wife' I hate that term with a vengeance, I digress, the fruit UK side is created to apparently satisfy the fussy needs of the Brits I.e. apples to big, lemons that don't look like lemons, wa wa wa.
The fact that the UK will very shortly end up like Argentina over night will make anyone considering arguing about oranges and lemons pith to say the very least. The amount of debt this country owes per person is staggering ( understatement) NZ the best UK the worst.when the Russians and the Chinese decide to increase the interest rates by a fraction of a % and want more for there loans we are well and truly screwed,Cyprus was a test!
That's when you'd wished you lived in Spain 3rd world ? They even have LCD price tags that change when the price does? Whilst in the UK we still use old crappy plastic tags.whover thinks the Spanish are 3rd world is in for a shock.The Brits are in denial! Watch and see, watch and see.


Sandy n Pat said:
Saturday, May 18, 2013 @ 9:22 PM

well said Sophie, you picked up some of the points we missed, we still have our casa on the med, and intend using it along with family and friends. We still have many good friends there.


peterscott said:
Saturday, May 18, 2013 @ 9:49 PM

Houses are certainly cheap in Spain most of them have dropped by 50% I paid 238,000e cannot get 95,000e now 7 years later !! at times it is so laid back there i felt I was in gods waiting room, my life in uk far better quality, today I paid £12-50for 2 x 2 courses in a resturant £2-70 for a full pint mesured not 2" of froth as in Spain
& I often pay £10 for 2x 2main courses.
Any one want to buy my 3 bed 3 bath with pool villa 85,000euros?



Sandra Piddock said:
Sunday, May 19, 2013 @ 8:15 AM

Well, this piece certainly seems to have attracted a lot of comments for both sides of the debate. It's great that so many of you cared enough to comment, and what seems to shine through is that everyone sees the good and the bad in both Spain and the UK. That's great, because seeing the full picture helps you to live the best life you can - wherever that happens to be.


Phil said:
Sunday, May 19, 2013 @ 8:32 AM

Slightl off subject here but relevant I feel.What I cannot believe is the miserable portions of (often tinned) veg served up in Spanish restaurants when veg are so plentiful and cheap!


Sandra Piddock said:
Sunday, May 19, 2013 @ 9:32 AM

@ Phil: I totally agree with you there! I think the reason is that the Spanish eating experience is different to what we expect. They seem to treat the first course as the centre piece of the meal, where for us, the main course is the meat and veg part.

I've had some stunning starters, with a great selection of vegetables, followed by the disappointment of having well cooked meat and fish served up with frozen chips and a spoonful of tinned or frozen veg.


Rita said:
Monday, May 20, 2013 @ 8:46 AM

Well said Sandra, Love to read your blogg,and you always say as it is,Fruit/veg in the UK is expensive and i agree with you about the taste,I have a home in the UK and an apartment in Spain,i love Spain ,the weather ,the people,i agree there are lots more variety of food in England but there is nothing in Englands food that compensates for waking up in the morning knowing you can plan your day in the Sun,Peter Scott where is your villa in Spain ?


Kropotkin said:
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 12:46 PM

1 kilo of pork chipolatas, 11 euros!


Ray McClair said:
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 2:03 PM

Hi Sandra, if you read my submission carefully you would have seen that i didnt suggest you were a 'burning bridges' sort. I just said that some of your comments reminded me of that section of Spanish expats that I meet lots. However with your family issues at present who can blame you for not reading things thoroughly. No offence intended and its good to hear that your family are there to help and your daughtrer is on the mend.


Ray McClair said:
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 2:14 PM

@Steve
I said spain borders on 3rd world, which lets be fair in many places it does. This can be quaint for example whn you see a guy in our village on horseback going tot he campo. However when traffic police stop you simply in order to beef up their quota or when you have to wait weeks for some simple burearocracy to complete or experience the attitudes towards animals in general etc etc etc (anyone who has lived there knows what I mean) then I stand by every word. Just because a shop has modern pricing systems doestn excuse a host of other backward situations that hold a nation back. In reality the Spanish have had less than 40 years to shake of the effects of Franco and his facist and controlling systems. It will take just as long again for the changes I would like to see be made. its not really their fault. I'll stick to having the good fortune to plunder the best of both worlds thank you.


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