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Living with the Presidente.

A tongue in cheek account of living with the Presidente, OR how to survive and extended 'family' of 183.

El Presidente and Moi are flooded and fed up !!..........
24 November 2008 @ 10:29


THIS IS OUR GARAGE.......................

The lifts have been turned off so the poor owners on the top floor ( including some old people with mobility problems are stuck.

The BUILDER ( San Antonio ) says the problem belongs to the Town Hall. The Town Hall says the problem belongs to the Builder.

WE ( La Mirada ) are the ones who are suffering ...........AGAIN ! ! !

The Garages have NOT been handed over from the builder to those who have bought fact only about 20 of the spaces were sold. This area was not included in the sale price of the apartments and seperate deeds were issued to those who bought them. The builder is paying for the electricity and no one pays any Community fees for the garage are. NOW though, the builder says 'It's not his problem' and will NOT have the area pumped out. The bottom of the lift shaft is in the garages and is full of water. The Community has already built a ramp so the rain water does not go down into the garages, but this time the force of water was so great that it went over the ramp and into the garages with considerable force. The Community has paid several times for the garages to be pumped out and we are claiming the money back from the builder via legal proceedings.

The trouble is, the garage area is also the base of the apartment block.

What moi, or El Presidente does not understand is this..................we paid 6,600€ for a space in this garage six years ago and it is now underwater AND apparently it is NOBODIES business ! ! !

Anybody got any ideas????

The press has been informed and the Administrator is at the Town Hall now with photos to put in ANOTHER complaint that no one will take any notice of.

El Presidente and Moi are FED UP ! ! !

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Sandra said:
24 November 2008 @ 11:05

Send the bucketeers round to help.

Seriously, it's not on. (How deep IS the water in the garages ?)

Sandra said:
24 November 2008 @ 11:22

Send the bucketeers round to help.

Seriously, it's not on. (How deep IS the water in the garages ?)

Sandra said:
24 November 2008 @ 11:23

Sorry, was refreshing page to see if you'd got back & it resent previous one.

Karensun said:
24 November 2008 @ 12:04

Sandra, the water was about 8 inches deep at the worst time. The automatic pump in the grill under the garage door has been working ever since the flood but it's still about 4 inches deep. This pump will NOT clear it all and it certainly will not clear the lift shaft because that is lower than the garage floor. Despite contact with the builder and town hall this morning....nobody wants to know and El Presidente is pulling his hair out.

scissor lifts said:
24 November 2008 @ 12:06

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Karensun said:
24 November 2008 @ 12:08

scissor would that help our flooded garages ???????

Sandra said:
24 November 2008 @ 13:24

What about buying a pump Karen.
In two of the pubs we owned we had problems with the cellars flooding. We installed a sump at the lowest level of each cellar and the pump was activated when the water reached a certain level in the sump.
It may work, although the volume of water shown on your photographs might mean you will require a sizeable pump.
You could later recoup the cost of the pump by selling it once the problem has been fixed.

Karensun said:
24 November 2008 @ 13:30

Thanks for that Sandra. We already have the pump under the garage door. The ground is so uneven that it would have to be moved round to sort out the problem and then the whole place has to be scrubbed out which is a mammoth job ( which, of course would be left to El Presidente and Moi !! ).
AND.........we can't have access to the lift shafts without specialist pumping equipment which ( surprisingly ) only Pele and Canno
( the pumping out professionals ) have.

dt_pesca said:
24 November 2008 @ 19:33

Not only is this an ongoing problem that no one seems to take responsibility for, I do seriously worry about the long term effects on the foundations of the building with this continual soaking. I am no structural engineer but surely this cannot be doing the building any good. I know you and El presidente are pulling your hair out and must dread every storm. The perimiter wall to the new complex has to come down as natural drainage would of been over the grounds in front of phase II. If the Town Hall is not prepared to install flood drains or divert the water this problem will persist forever. In Spain I know it is difficult with the legal systems but if there is even a slight risk that this water can penetrate and weaken the foundations or supporting pillars then someone has to act asap and not just when we have been flooded. I dont envy you some of the jobs you get. You have my support and understanding.

Karensun said:
24 November 2008 @ 23:19

We have the Round Town News coming out tomorrow to do an exposure about the state of the garages. We have sent in YET ANOTHER complaint to the town hall and the Administrator is going to the town hall tomorrow morning at 9am to see the building and drainage dept on our behalf.
Until SOMEONE accepts responsibility El Presidente and Moi are stumped...and wet!!

FibbyUK said:
25 November 2008 @ 07:54

Poor you two!
We all know how hard Peter works at being Presidente and the unwarranted grief he often gets..........but to have this ongoing problem is really not fair for both of you.
I may have said this before, but is there a health department in Spain to complain to? Surely it could be a health risk, stagnant water, germs, rats etc., Worth a try?

Karensun said:
25 November 2008 @ 08:35

Off to the Administrators RIGHT NOW.

Sandra said:
25 November 2008 @ 15:03

Well ?? What happened, Karen ?

(I know you're back...)

Good news or..

Karensun said:
25 November 2008 @ 16:30

Sandra............sweet fanny Adams happened ( it IS Spain you know ! )
The builder says if the Town Hall give a note saying ti is the builder's responsibility then they will sort it. A missive has been faxed with photos to Orihuela town hall to a Councillor in Charge and we have to WAIT.....and WAIT.....until some decision is mad. Given that we've been waiting 4 years already, I won't hold my breath !
La Mirada and the FLOODING will be covered in the Round Town News either this friday or next, so perhaps the brown stuff will hit the fan???.................

Sandra said:
25 November 2008 @ 17:13

Oh dear Karen what a flaming mess!!
Those poor people on the top floor must be at their wits end.
Let's hope the councillor responsible gets his finger out.............and quickly!

Sandra:es said:
25 November 2008 @ 17:28

Karen, seems there are TWO Sandra's posting.

I posted on Nov 24th @ 11.05, 11.22 & 11.23am also today @3.03pm.

I'll post in future as Sandra:es (if I remember).

Sandra:es said:
25 November 2008 @ 17:29

I'll watch out for RTN then.

Karensun said:
25 November 2008 @ 17:38

So.............who is the other Sandra then??

Sandra said:
25 November 2008 @ 19:10

It's me silly!!

Sandra:es said:
25 November 2008 @ 19:41

THAT wasn't me, it was Sandra !

Karensun said:
25 November 2008 @ 21:36

OK........I know I'm a blonde and a woman...but I'm confused !! I know I'm confused MOST of the time ( before coming to live here I had a responsible teaching job - I've got 2 degrees and a teaching cert ) but since living here I've gone downhill all the way ( must be all this water ). So there's and there's Sandra who says 'it's me silly'.......??????????

Sandra:es said:
26 November 2008 @ 14:07

There are currently 31,814 members not to mention those who can also post so it's inevitable a name such as mine would be for at least two, Karen. We just like your posts & like to comment.

Sandra said:
26 November 2008 @ 14:25

She's got it, I think she's got it.
There are quite a number of Sandras using this website, not suprising really as the name was quite popular from the mid 1940s up to about 1960. Now we're all retired/retiring and many are dreaming of a place in Spain.
Anyhow, how's the ankle Karen? Better I hope.
And the water is that subsiding?
At least the confusion in our posts was a diversion for a few minutes, hope you're soon dried out.

Karensun said:
26 November 2008 @ 14:28

Hi Sandra and Sandra et al ( and anyone else!! )
Ankle still swollen and shoes for me yet!! Water gone down a bit.......will do another BLOG later with NEWS !!

Roberto said:
26 November 2008 @ 22:52

I know it's not much compensation really, Karen, but if it makes you feel any better....5 years on nearly, and we STILL haven't resolved the problem of our flooding garage either. Builder says "it's the water company", water company says "it's the builder, but by the way, we've submitted a project to the town hall to increase the capacity of the drains in the street but they haven't approved it yet so it's their fault too". Hang on a minute, that sounds like it's not the builder then? We've had a judicial perito round, a technical architect and several plumbers, and annoying neighbours who like to turn up a couple of times a year and "suggest" that we (who?) ought to DO something about it. One has even taken to ringing the EX-presidente once in a while to ask what progress we (who??) are making. That helps. The EX-presidente had a meeting with the administrator a couple of weeks ago, with the current vice-president (anybody seen the president?) because he decided to get involved and get something done - presumably thought nobody had tried doing anything so far. He's now up to date and also seems to have lost interest. The admin agreed to do various things (send yet another letter to water company and town hall, get presupuestos for a pump system etc.) All gone quiet there, and the ex-presidente is b*ggered if he's going to do the chasing up (where IS the president, anyway?) Curiously, the water company rang the ex-P today (had my mobile because they had to call me when they were coming out to clean the garage after the last flood, because, err, the president wasn't around)and asked if we had put in the pump yet. Why do they care? Maybe they know it's their fault?
Meanwhile, the president's husband decided to take some action (presumably due to the lack of action forthcoming from his spouse) and blocked up the two nearest drains to the lift shaft and put a piece of wood 4 cms high across the doorway between the garage and the stairwell, in the hope that next time, at least the lift shaft will remain dry. (The last flood reached at least 5cms depth). He also pumped the shaft out last time - first time anyone other than the ex-P and his missus has volunteered. We're still waiting for confirmation that our insurance will pay the last €800 repair bill for the lift.
I'm truly sick of it all. And's raining.

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