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24 Apr 2012 18:47:

Not quite sure what is going on, bit seems to be a few variations of stories floating around at the moment.

 

A Torresat customer was told late last week that a power cable had been cut in Mil Palmeras?

 

Since then we have had phone calls / emails / reports from - La Marina, Torrevieja (nr Carrefour), San Javier, San Cayetano, Torre de La Horredada & La Manga.

It may well be related to the issues originally mentioned - they could also be juggling frequencies, if about to be investigated or even reducing signal strength as this is also likely to be checked for enviromental / health issues.

When working in the Murcia region it was noted that the microwave signal strength was estimates at 20-30 times the legal output - which from a health point of view, if nearby (Microwave) could be potentially harmful. Additionally the transmissions have also been measured over the top of some legal satellite frequencies - which again may indicated a change of frequency if they believe this could be investigated shortly.

At the moment, would not know what to believe as it does seem quite a coincidence that all of these problems seem to be occurring just after the press reported  the further issues of illegal transmission masts? Perhaps a few have been taken offline & they are trying to redirect to best affect.

 

 

 

 

 


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14 Apr 2012 23:08:

 

Put through google translate.

 

 

El Mundo

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2012/04/13/alicante/1334336086.html

The mayor of Orihuela City Council Planning, Antonio Zapata (PSOE), has publicly denounced the location and development of the illegal activity of five antennas in Orihuela Costa.

Specifically, Zapata has accused the councilman of New Technologies of the City of Pilar de la Horadada, Josefa Meroño (Pilareña Union) to permit the company tower Satellite installation of such antennas and the development of their business.

According to Zapata, “not known to have been applied for the respective environmental permits for the installation of antennas or authorization of the landowner where is”.

Therefore, and today, as the mayor announced at a press conference, will open the respective disciplinary proceedings.

“The trouble is that public office is the person exercising such illegal activities,” he assured.

A few weeks ago was the very councilor who has already publicly denounced the existence of a trench about six kilometers, apparently illegally, in the same area where such antennas are located.

“I can not understand how a public official of a municipality has moved to the neighboring municipality to dig a trench 6 km, install 5 antennas and mounting a TV which offer content not know why,” said Zapata.

The mayor has asked Orihuela Councillor for New Technologies Pilar de la Horadada to “remove these antennas and approaches to the Planning council to try to regularize them.”

In fact, if this action is not carried out, Zapata has indicated its intention to consider other options driven by the session Orihuela, such as sealing or cessation of emissions, and even brought to the court in such activities.

“I can not consent to distribute content across TV, internet and unaware of what they are,” he concludes.

It was the Planning Department and, specifically, the brigade of urban disciplines which have found such antennas.

This department is expected to begin a thorough inspection to determine the total number of antennas installed in the municipality and leaking municipal control.

On the other hand, this medium has tried to contact the councilor, Josefa Meroño, who, through the press office of the Municipality of Pilar de la Horadada, has refused to make statements on this matter found it in the hands of justice .

 

 

http://www.diarioinformacion.com/vega-baja/2012/04/14/urbanismo-culpa-pepa-merono-5-antenas-ilegales-ademas-zanja/1243463.html

Diarioinformation.com

Brigade Activities Orihuela Town Planning Department has identified at least five antennas that broadcast television signals or the Internet on the coast and do not have any permit, license or environmental activity. Not that these permits the rejection, is that you never got to ask, and it is unknown how long these repeaters are operating with no record at City Hall.

The Town Planning, Antonio Zapata, the finding made public yesterday and charged inks against Pilareña Union councilor and deputy mayor in Pilar de la Horadada (a few days mayor of New Technologies), Pepa Meroño, being the owner Company “Torresatélite” that claim ownership of the antennas. At the same commodity at the same Meroño blamed for a month after opening a trench four miles along the Orihuela Costa to bury a cable television also illegal.

Zapata was outraged that “someone thought that the term of Orihuela is a virgin, just below the forest, and you can install an unlicensed activity and profit benefits without impact on the municipality.” He added, “I have no interest in going against certain people, but we are talking again Meroño Pepa, how bad is that those exercising these activities is a public official who knows his duties.”

Zapata insisted that “I can not understand how the deputy mayor of a municipality comes into the neighboring municipality to make a trench and put five antennas without permission, mounted a television whose contents do not know if they are legal.”

From Planning has begun for disciplinary and values ​​go to court to file a complaint. In parallel, we are studying how to force the disconnection of these antennas (precintarlas or cut the power supply are some of the options), which are located on private property in buildings Vistamar II in La Regia, El Faro, Orihuela, a workshop and Campoamor Dehesa dealer or mall Pigeon Shooting in Villamartin, according to the mayor.

To install you need the permission of land owners, who now heads the City Council to clarify how long are running (it is possible, he acknowledged, “that the work of installation is required, but activity is still there”).

Meroño as Councilman Orihuela, Urbanism has not contacted to try to regularize the situation of the trench reported for weeks, “not even to apologize.”

Urban will return to drive the antenna ordinance that left the PP slope of the allegations. “We will take it to heart to regulate such matters, because we found five antennas but there will be more throughout the term.” In fact, only been detected by observing the Brigade Activities, created earlier this year by the mayor.

Finally, the councilor Meroño yesterday did not rule on the complaint of Urbanism.


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14 Apr 2012 13:13:

The problem is also Jon, that you can take what the average Spanish lawyer says with a pinch of salt.

I have dealt with many lawyers over the years through business & found more than often the information given by many suits them at the time, with the incentive being their own financial gain rather than 100% accurate information. 

Additionally as the Spanish ignore many EU rules & regulations anyway, this would just be another example - whether they should or should not - but at least it is an EU directive and can be presented to president / administrator - as mentioned previously we have used this to do works when there has been an awkward president & it has been accepted - probably due to the fact its an official document and no one can be bothered to check any futher?

Additionally Spanish law is based on Roman law. Ultimately if your lawyer misadvises you (rampant problem in the property sector and many issue caused by lawyers - as well as the banks) - you have no recourse. If you sign something and your lawyer told you to do it, then its your problem. In the UK it is different the lawyer has a debt of responsibility and deliberate misinformation or misguidance can get you barred. In Spain this can and has been done deliberately for financial benefit of the lawyers.

You've been in Spain long enough to know in spite of any rules, laws & regulations many simply do not care one jot and do their own thing. Part of the reason why Spain is in a mess - no accountability & even when you are in the right, justice or an honest answer, can be hard to find

 

 

 

 




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14 Apr 2012 09:14:

San Fulgencio town hall tried to charge people for planning permission dishes & taxes back in 2008 (they wanted you to submit an architects drawing to install a dish & add other charges) - This was at the time when Telmicro the rebroadcaster was shut down. In summary the town hall figured they coiuld make a fast buck by skimming the expatriates.  This was overtuned as was found to be illegal.

Town halls have a habit of making up their own rules, many of which if reviewed are deemed illegal - though of course most expatriates will not argue - using the above as an example, the town hall is the last place to visit for anything approaching a straighforward or honest answer. Approach a town hall with an open wallet or a the obligatory brown envelope.

 

Link to Eu directive in English

http://televisiontechnology.tech.officelive.com/Documents/IP-01-913_EN.pdf

 

http://televisiontechnology.tech.officelive.com/Documents/IP-01-913_ES.pdf

Spanish

 

There is probably a more up to date version, though we have place this under the nose of the odd president & administrator - seems to have been accepted. 

 

'Administrative obstacles: It is not acceptable to make the installation of a satellite dish subject to systematic prior authorisation or completion of a complex and expensive administrative procedure.'

 

We work on many communities & this type of comment is quite usual. It is a fair point that from a visual aspect a community would not wish to have lots of antennas & dishes everywhere.  However this being the case they should allow a community based solution - you may be able to have a single larger dish for the entire community. This does however require organising a few like minded expatriates and then presenting your case to the administration / president - 'If we can share a dish' then the visual impact on the community would be far less - it also adds value to the community for those with rentals etc & keeps ongoing costs for TV down.  

 

It will depend on the type of property you have & layout of your community - there may be other ways of hiding the dish from sight (from the road / street) additionally you can even find a few neighbours in the same street & run cables through ducts and have a street or bank sharing - costs shared & the more people that want this, the more the president will be put under pressure to allow this.

 

On larger communities you can put in fibre optics (sometimes neccessary due to cable run lengths) this if well thought out can have further benefits for the community, as running multi core fibre cables will also allow other digital services to be added in later - such as high speed internet around the entire site or other shared network services - again a useful long term benefit for the community & in real terms add very little in terms of cost - but you do need the support of the community itself to make viable.

 

The problem is whether the law is on your side or otherwise, if you have a president who thinks they are Franco, getting anything such as this acheived is difficult. 

 

Or you could take the last and not so polite option - put the dish up on your roof  irrespective & when the president complains, present the EU directive (printed off beforehand) they won't sue you as they'll have to pay out of community funds & a total waste of time.  This would put the president right in the firing line for costing everyone money by not being helpful in finding a solution in the first place.

 

 

 

 


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29 Feb 2012 21:17:

There have been changes recently which may not help Torresat or Teleast.

Due to the new satellite Astra 1N coming online and taking over the role of 2D - All the previously difficult channels which were hard to receive can now be received. Certainly the case in Costa Blanca North & South + Costa Calida.  The cost of the dish installed with receiver will be cost about a years worth of subscription fees.

However: Astra 1N is a support satellite & has been stated previously moving Q2 2013, after this we do not know if there will be any signal variations with 2E or 2F - whichever replaces this. Worst case it's cost you no more after a year for a better servie, you still own the equipment / satellite receiver.

 

 

 

 

 

 




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