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The One Show - not Number One on investigative journalism!
Friday, May 9, 2014 @ 11:27 AM

Oh well, the dust has settled on my brief flirtation with media fame, and things are somewhat calmer in Piddock Place now. My current affairs debut was aired on Monday 5 May in a five minute segment on The One Show, and although I was quite happy with my own on camera performance - I didn't stutter, hiccup, dry up or transmit any type of digestive noises across the broadcasting world - I must say I was less than happy with the piece itself.

In fact I was annoyed that, rather than taking the opportunity to show that life in Spain is nowhere near as bad as the media paint it, they seemed to home in on the negative aspects. Only my short piece and another piece from a couple who have recently moved to Spain really spoke up for life out here as it really is lived, and I can see just how those viewpoints will be perceived by the Moaning Ex Expat Brigade. I'll be dismissed as the token gesture to BBC neutrality, while the other couple will be pitied as poor souls who have yet to find out that instead of living the dream, they have landed in a nightmare.

I sort of knew how it was going to play when the first of the Expats By The Sea came out with the old turkey of 'Hardly any Brits on the golf course these days.' It's comments like that which have earned expats - particularly retired expats - the undeserved reputation of living it up in the sun while pensioners at home starve because they will insist on having their Winter Fuel Allowance, even though the temperatures are sky high all year round. It all helps to create a false picture.

If the production team had wanted originality and an interpretation of the true state of play here, they would surely have left in Donna Gee's contribution. As a respected journalist of many years standing who isn't afraid to say what's on her mind and tell it like it is, Donna would have put things into perspective, but her interview ended up on the cutting room floor.

Maybe they didn't want to portray Spain in an attractive light, or know what it's really like to live here, because they also trotted out the other old expat chestnut, the illegal build. While you have to feel a modicum of sympathy for someone who has to hand back the keys of his property and possibly see his life savings bulldozed, you also have to wonder why anyone in their right mind would purchase a house anywhere - let alone in a foreign country - that didn't have all the right planning permissions.

The bit about the illegal build took up most of the slot, and actually, it had no place in that piece, because the reasons that were given for moving back were mainly financial ones. The guy who paid 300,000 Euro 8 years ago for a villa that was clearly worth at least 3 times that much has nobody but himself and his own greed to blame.

I feel the BBC missed an opportunity here, because there was enough material to do a full, balanced documentary about this topic. They could have interviewed estate agents, who would surely have told them that the property market is picking up again, with many homes selling within days or even hours of going on the market. And they could have left in the bit where I paid just 6 Euro for so much fruit and vegetables that it took two members of the production team to carry it back to my car. That would have gone some way to exploding the 'cant afford to eat in Spain' myth.

But most of all, our own Donna Gee could have told them just why the headline figure of 90,000 Brits leaving Spain is not the basis for building a good piece of investigative journalism, since the authenticity of those figures is questionable. Another opportunity missed. Better luck next time, BBC!



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KeyserSoze said:
Friday, May 9, 2014 @ 8:31 PM

I,and to restore my faith in humanity,I hope other EOS readers,do not have a modicum of sympathy for the man on the Broken Biscuit Companies "One Show" about returning expats(or not),I(we) have a mound of sympathy for someone who may have lost everything.Virtually nobody deserves that.Personally I am beyond sympathy.So moving,so sad,so,in my opinion undeserved.I would really hope that others feel likewise and articulate their feelings.I do not think you were greedy mate,but hell,what does a numpty like me know?

I hope life works out for you pal,I really do.I suspect that if you have ever been an EOS blogger ,"you are the better man or woman!".

As for the rest of it,which was just a pretty shabby "filler"who cares?As Elbert Hubbard said,"Do not take life too seriously.You will never get out alive".

Sometimes I'm ashamed to have ever been an expat.


A and A said:
Saturday, May 10, 2014 @ 4:48 AM

I have always enjoyed reading EOS. However having read this piece find it difficult to understand anyone who does not have sympathy for people who have lost everything. Is the writer unaware of the situation many older people have found themselves in, especially in Andalusia, who, having paid for and obtained all legal licences are now living with the constant fear of having these licences revoked because the mayors who granted them did so illegally. These people are not 'greedy' it is the mayors and lawyers who are greedy.
There are many things I love about Spain but the situation in relation to property needs urgent attention. The suffering caused to many older people who retired here in good faith is unforgivable and a blot on the honour of Spain.
Like the previous poster the callous comment in the post made me ashamed to be an expat


caspecat said:
Saturday, May 10, 2014 @ 7:35 AM

I think the two comments above have missed the point somewhat.

Of course we all have sympathy for people who have 'lost everything', but that was NOT meant to be the focus of the Spanish part of The One Show. It was meant to be responding to reports that people are leaving Spain in their droves, and the contributors were addressing that issue, not property issues which has been covered in countless other programmes.

Sandra was justifiably pointing out in her blog post, that the programme failed to really highlight all the very good reasons people should STAY in Spain, which I'm sure both of you already appreciate.

Yes the programme also missed the point entirely, and it was a missed opportunity to put scaremongering to rest amongst the expats and those thinking about making a move to Spain.


Tommyscouser said:
Saturday, May 10, 2014 @ 7:59 AM

I've never blogged on this site before , but reading the column above some what made my nostrils flair in disbelief . I have lived in Tenerife for manny years and have witnessed some real horror stories about what actually goes on with the Spanish " not so " legal system .
As a purchaser most people will go and do the realistic thing of getting a solicitor and checking out what should be done in a correct and proper manner all legal and above board , but often find them selfs part of a scam build , whether it be false planning consent , builders going bust and only interested in taking down payments , contracts signed and properties not being delivered up on time , entrusting the Spanish "banks" with large deposits only to find the banks keeping the deposits when a project fails . The list is endless .
So all I would say on the matter is be aware very aware before putting ones toe in the Mediterranean as it may be a great white that takes a nibble at your toe !



briansmart said:
Saturday, May 10, 2014 @ 8:16 AM

It doesn't surprise me that any part of the media, unfortunately including good old Aunty Beeb, just design a story and then look for ingredients to fit their brief. I was the subject of a Daily Mail This is Money article in March in which I hoped to show how the banks and the government had screwed with money and credit then blamed it all on Joe Public for being greedy.

I was left with over half a million in debt (that I cannot pay) after the 2008 banking crash when that could easily have been avoided if UKAR (government asset recovery) would have negotiated a way out rather than seize everything and sell it for 30p in £. The article pointed out that I would now have to live out my retirement on benefits whereas, if UKAR had acted properly, I would have been financially independent.

So I spend a large part of the year in Spain as the UK has nothing for me any more. And the newspaper article just produced a load of feedback from people having a pop at me, with no-one interested in what the UK government were up to. At least in Spain the Supreme Court weren't afraid, as EOS reported, to blame the banks and valuation companies for what happened.

My Spanish apartment is in a complex where hundreds of my fellow English lost their flats, many were glad to as the financial strain became unbearable, but that is now water under the bridge and those of us left do see a slightly rosier future. I also keep in touch with those that lost everything. They are not bitter, moaning people - most people aren't. But articles like this and my Daily Mail article seem to bring a small handful of miserable moaning people out of the woodwork who make a career out of always looking for the worst scenario.

To make a success of your life you have to surround yourself with positive people and shut out all negative energies. I'm going to add scaremongering to my long list of words that describe these backward looking people. Thank you for that.

May I turn the theme of the other posts on its head and ask what is so good about the UK that you would want to retire there? We get ripped off for everything. And retirement is about the best life for the least money. No contest!


SandrainAlgorfa said:
Saturday, May 10, 2014 @ 8:19 AM

Sorry, but I didn't say I had no sympathy for the man who lost everything - I do, but it's tempered with incredulity that he ever thought that everything would be kosher when the villa was worth a lot more than the asking price.

At the time he bought - 8 years ago - the problem was already widely publicised. We bought our property soon after, and we did everything we could to make sure we steered clear of the known pitfalls. He should have done the same. In England, people ask a lot of questions before buying, and rightly so, but many people fail to do the same when buying abroad.

As Caspecat says, you seem to have missed the point I was trying to make and homed in on one particular thing and taken it out of context. I stand by everything I say, because anyone who thinks they are going to get a huge villa for around one third of the true value is greedy.

The main point I wanted to make here is that the media seem bent on bashing Spain. There are millions of people who are more than happy with how their property purchase went, and love life in Spain, but we don't here enough of these people, because sob stories sell more newspapers and attract more viewers.


Elainemc said:
Saturday, May 10, 2014 @ 8:33 AM

I have just watched the One Show and read the comments above. I was really disappointed in the One shows portrayal of Spain once again. I feel for the man who spent 300 thousand on an illegal house. We went through hell buying our property 5 years ago. It took nearly 8 months to ensure we had all the legal paperwork in place before we parted with any money. Our solicitor or gesturia was excellent and has become a really good friend. We are counting the days till we can move out permanently in 2years time. To live healthy in the UK it costs an absolute fortune, cheap if you live on junk food but if health dictates you have to eat only fruit and veg your weekly bill goes up £30 to £40. On our last trip out at Easter I spent a third of what we do back at home. I believe lots of people who have chosen to go home my parents being one of them. After 20 years of a life they loved health problems of my father led him to believe they would be better being round family if anything was to happen. A few of their friends left for similar reasons but none of them left because they were disillusioned by Spain. This has not deterred me or my husband. Spain is allowing us to retire at 55 and we cannot wait to become a permanent residence.


Pasha01 said:
Saturday, May 10, 2014 @ 8:55 AM

It is true that people are leaving Spain including many the Spanish themselves. There was and probably is still corruption and backhanders going on, allowing developers to build homes without correct licenses. Then having watched them being completed and sold for which the customer has handed over large sums of money, including solicitors fees and taxes, then find out it's an illegal build as there is no habitation certificate. Many as that couple did lose everything. The authorities knew those homes were illegal and should have stopped the build. They are the ones that should be held to account. The majority who buy in Spain are really ignorant when buying there as most think it is the same as in the UK rightly or wrongly. The BBC were right to show that, it's a good warning to others to look out for the pitfalls. Many others leave for all sorts of reasons. Many stay and are happy to live in the sun, although many do live in a bubble, hardly speaking a word of Spanish, so don't know what is going on, except for the English local papers. Who can blame them, their lives probably better for not knowing. The world since globalization is a very transient place. It is Spain itself that has announced the figures of people leaving the country.


leoleon said:
Saturday, May 10, 2014 @ 9:17 AM

Ah! the good old BBC. We have lived in Germany and Holland for the past 30 years and we do tend to watch the beeb, occasionally. We do notice that they talk utter balderdash about foreign affairs. We tend to forget that they are paid to pander to their own citizens. So they tell them what they THINK they want to hear. Telling them the truth would probably result in a mass exodus to live in better lands. Leave Britannia to the poor immigrants who come to U.K. for a better life. Perhaps they will make a better job of it.
We are also lucky enough to have a second home in Spain, with which we are delighted.
Cheers
Leo


campodweller said:
Saturday, May 10, 2014 @ 10:12 AM

never posted here before but the article and some of the comments leave me almost speechless.

It seems the first two comments were responses to the comments made by the writer of the article in relation to the plight of those poor people who had lost everything. I totally agree with the comments, to castigate the home owners as ´greedy`and say ´you also have to wonder why anyone in their right mind would purchase a house anywhere - let alone in a foreign country - that didn't have all the right planning permissions` appears to me lacking in common humanity an opinion confirmed by the writers own response where she congratulates herself on having done everything right and calling it a ´sob story´
Many people in Spain, not just British but Spanish and other northern Europeans did ´everything right´only to find they had been lied to, been issued with documentation which has been declared illegal - 10 years after the houses were built - despite it being issued by the town halls and obtained using the services of a solicitor .
Look at the recent problems experienced by those who having every document, licence to work,licence of first occupation, suddenly found a week before christmas that their licences were annulled because the Mayor ´should not have granted them¨ ten years ago!
Incidentally the local authorities continue to demand taxes from them . Whilst those who swindled them out of their life savings go scot free

Yes I agree the BBC is biased but surely whilst this situation continues in Spain they are right to bring the attention of people to it. Spain is a beautiful place and many of the people kind, helpful and welcoming to the numerous foreigners who descend on them to enjoy their beautiful countryside and weather.

However until the corruption is dealt with and the law is applied fairly these stories will continue and I believe they should do so
and perhaps those who have been ´lucky´ and I count myself as one of these can be a little more sympathetic and supportive of those who have not been so lucky.






Tommyscouser said:
Saturday, May 10, 2014 @ 11:07 AM

It's quiet simple really . The Spanish have seen us as a meal ticket since the early seventies when we used to pack up for our summer holidays to the likes of Benidorm and Lloret del mar . They seen the Brits as a meal ticket and although very friendly at that point , they have hardened to us and started to see us more and more as their way to massive wealth .
Don't forget it wasn't that long ago spain was still under dictatorship and the way most of the state system is run still is .
I didn't see the BBC programme being refers to as I live in spain , but I can tell you from manny experiences we live under a regime . Now I know a lot of you will jump on the band wagon and say why don't you move then , and yes I would love to , but I moved hear 15 year ago and embraced the Spanish way , paid my taxes , employed their people and got sucked in to investing a lot of money in their economy , which let me tell you is as corrupt as anything in the civilised wold , the Spanish refer to us as Extranjeros which translates to none Spanish and this is even brandished on your resident certification with an X before your national number . I would say to any one thinking of up routing and moving to spain or it's colonies DONT do it . I personally could write a book of what I have experienced and manny of the people I have met who have done the same as myself .


Vivajonsey said:
Saturday, May 10, 2014 @ 11:39 AM

The Priors from Vera are currently living in a garage after their home was demolished. They understood that they had been granted full licences to build by the Vera Council. What it took them some six years to learn was that the Vera Council's authority had been challenged by the Andalucian Provincial Government but the Provincial Government and the Vera Council kept their challenges/negotiations quiet until the Priors eventually engaged lawyers in an attempt to avoid demolition. Those Lawyers were in the process of challenging/appealing the Prior's case but the Andalucian Authorities chose to demolish rather than, presumably, risk a successful challenge.
The Priors have won various Court cases but remain unsatisfied in regard to compensation because, apparently the Vera Council and the Andalucian Government are arguing over who should ultimately pay any compensation.
I have lived in Spain for ten years and enjoy it very much, but there is no doubt that there is much that needs to improve with local administration, obvious skullduggery, suspect legal systems, and perhaps an alteration in the Spanish Constitution that, from Napoleonic times, has vested such extreme authority in local Mayors.
With so much activity having been available from the BBC and ITV over the years it should not come as a surprise to the majority that, like many journalists, good news is not newsworthy.
The Priors are neither unlucky or unfortunate. They are the victims of a corrupt system, and are of course deserving of sympathy.
In regard to the Adalucian Government there are signs that the tide of public opinion, and perhaps the Authority of the Courts, may be turning against their dictatorial and, apparent corrupt, attitudes.


englishjef1 said:
Saturday, May 10, 2014 @ 2:37 PM


As someone who has considered the possibility of buying somewhere in Spain for a couple of years, I find this debate really interesting. I feel the pain for those whose dreams have ended, whatever the reason.
But as a television news producer I must put you straight on two points.
1. Journalists are people! Those of us who don't work at the sticky end of the business love to tell a good story with a happy ending. Look at the numbers regularly watching programmes like A Place in the Sun. There's a keen interest in those who have ambitions to escape to warmer climes and a happiness derived when someone finds somewhere they really like.
2. I didn't see the One Show report, but reading your reviews, it does seem to me that perhaps it lost its way somewhat by straying into the well told story of people losing their homes. A mention would have been useful, but the available time could instead have been used telling us if the claims of expats moving home are true or exaggerated.
3. I would not have included an estate agent in the report. That was an easy option, bu he/should would, as always, have sounded off a positive message: "Now is the time to buy." "Come out here I've got a real bargain for you." "This is the best time ever to buy a place in Spain." Using that sort of response wouldn't be helpful.
I'm watching this situation closely. Despite the problems and the angst, I think those of you with homes in Spain are very lucky indeed. One day I hope to join you.
Hasta pronto.


englishjef1 said:
Saturday, May 10, 2014 @ 2:38 PM

THREE points!!!


J.P.R. said:
Saturday, May 10, 2014 @ 3:21 PM

Hi Sandra,
I too was disappointed by The One Show Item - the film crew could hardly have found a more unprepossessing view of the market. It looked like the exterior of some dockside warehouse.
You mention it took two of the crew to carry your shopping - Just how many were there on the technical and production team ?
Having spent nigh-on three decades doing that sort of work I am consumed by curiosity.


SandrainAlgorfa said:
Saturday, May 10, 2014 @ 4:02 PM

Hello J.P.R I agree about the market - especially as they did some really attractive shots, and got me to repeat the same stuff again. It was a downbeat piece, and it showed.

There were three crew members - researcher, presenter and cameraman. It was all a bit of a rushed job, because they came over on Saturday afternoon and left at lunchtime on Sunday. I think it was a real missed opportunity to provide both sides of the picture, and the topic certainly merited more than the 5 minutes screen time it was allocated.


Vivajonsey said:
Saturday, May 10, 2014 @ 4:19 PM

During my ten years in Spain I have seen ITV's "Homes from Hell" programmes, I have seen the results of the interviews carried out by several visiting TV crews, and I have viewed several episodes of programmes such as "Place in the Sun". Any Producer of such programmes will be guided by audience interest, possible viewing figures, or perhaps be mis-guided by the motives of those who volunteer to participate, and who perhaps have their own agenda for seeking to participate.
Anyone wanting to engage in the "Homes from Hell" programme is clearly seeking to broadcast any grievance. A Producer would stop listening to me as soon as I said that, apart from some grievances about a corrupt developer, the house I have acquired has served me well in my occupation.
That said I have a son and his family who have recently returned to the UK after several years of living in Spain. They enjoyed their life in Spain but found there were limitations in the Spanish education system, and they were tolerant of many of the obstacles they found within the legal system and in local administration. Since their return to the UK, apart from acquiring their own property with the minimum of legal complications, they have found their re-engagement with UK taxation and other matters of administration is very much an up-hill struggle. They have however found that their two children have engaged with the local education system very straightforward and significantly rewarding.
My four sons all tell me that I should consider returning to the UK. I am reluctant to do so whilst I wake up most mornings in sunshine, I am able to cope with the cost of living in Spain from my pension income, and in spite of many comments to the contrary the Spanish Health Service maintains a service of prevention rather than cure in most of its application to welfare, which allows me a degree of contentment.
Whilst I have the financial ability to jump a plane to visit my family in the UK, at a whim, then I shall remain a contented "EXTRANJEROS" with a hope that I might well have the chance to live an extra five years of so in this Mediterranean environment.


shell20 said:
Saturday, May 10, 2014 @ 4:20 PM

First off The One Show is a very lightweight laugh and joke early evening prog nothing is ever seriously discussed and usually only for 4 or 5 minutes
Any prog about Brits living in Spain will always cover the illegal builds /its like discussing Syria without mentioning the War
Property sales in Spain /in certain areas properties have sold but at lower levels than sellers would like /there are still thousands of unsold properties

Buying in Spain is different because although people went through all the Legal rules and spoke to locals got to know the area and so on /many properties were retrospectivly declared illegal /they lost there money and even if awarded compensation it is never paid
so I think the comment only himself and his own greed to blame is totally out of order

In property sales 1 neg can destroy a whole load of positives
and the possibility you will loose your home and all your money is a negtive that will not go away


Tommyscouser said:
Saturday, May 10, 2014 @ 6:51 PM

If I had my time again I would not consider living any where near spain or any of it's colonies . Did you know that the Spanish tax and social security along with the local councils can go into your personal bank account and take money out without a court order ? They often do this under the guise of local finds or as they call them embargoes ! You can challenge these but you are wasting your time and money getting legal help . So if the Spanish government do this often enough to manny they have a very lucrative additional none challenged tax . If you do happen to prove them wrong don't exspensive to get your money back in a month of Sundays !!!!!!!! Spain is bust


leoleon said:
Saturday, May 10, 2014 @ 7:34 PM

Read the Telegraph Scouse lah....

Taxman has power to raid your bank accounts
Commons Treasury committee raises concerns about powers of HMRC to remove cash from bank accounts without a court order.

All countries have their corruption, Spain is a little more naive, that's all.
Cheers
leo


MikeandHelen said:
Saturday, May 10, 2014 @ 9:14 PM


Not impressed by the report. they start off by saying that they were going to Almeria, show the reporter landing at San Javier airport, Murcia then interview people in the main Avenida Del Rio Nalon in Los Alcazares talking about things in other areas. Obviously the BBC don't know where they are and never let the facts get in the way of a good story.


Tommyscouser said:
Saturday, May 10, 2014 @ 10:07 PM

Leo
This is a new thing that may or may not be allowed in GB .
Yes any country can with a court order . Spain do what the hell they wish , no notification jus swoop in and rob your money .



Donna773 said:
Sunday, May 11, 2014 @ 6:09 AM

Very interesting thread, Sandra. Just to confirm that the ''droves'' we were all leaving in are actually more like handfuls. The Spanish have accepted they got their figures wrong but I've heard no correction from The One Show. English Jeff, I'm a journalist too but I'm afraid we've been overtaken by top-spin. They wanted to angle the whole thing on that 90,000 exodus. They spent over an hour filming me for the broadcast and ditched the lot. Reason - Joe the presenter kept chucking that figure at me and I kept chucking it back. So they chucked me out of their cot. Fortunately, I landed sunny side up. If anyone's interested, the saga is all on my EOS Grumpy Old Gran blog


caspecat said:
Sunday, May 11, 2014 @ 9:42 AM

Sorry but I have to come back in again on this thread as almost every one of the commenters has done exactly the same as the lack lustre piece of reporting on the One Show, which is what Sandra wrote about in the first place.

The piece on the show was supposed to be in response to reports that 90,000 expats were leaving Spain, or as Donna773 says, 'in their droves'. The programme, just like the above comments went completely off the beaten track (literally) and gave us a weary old piece of
'I was ripped off when I bought my villa' news, which is already much covered, much publicised 'old' news, and perhaps should have been entitled 'no matter when or where you bought your villa/property/piece of land, if it sounded too good to be true it flippin well WAS'

As Donna quite rightly said people are NOT leaving Spain in their droves. By the law of averages someone will know 'someone' who is leaving due to family, ill health, or financial reasons, BUT the programme did NOT stick to it's original subject matter, or allow the more realistic facts and figures to come to light, or be questioned.

And your comments are doing exactly the same, swerving off the 'leaving in their droves' topic, and accusing the original writer of the thread to be unsympathetic to expats who have suffered financial loss, and then bizarrely, the comments are now focused on corrupt governments raiding bank accounts.

Over the last 10 years I have spent extremely long periods of time in Spain, from 2-3 months at a time, to 1-2 years at a time, and as a mature female, I can absolutely say that anyone who now returns to the UK thinking that the grass is greener for whatever reason, health care, secure housing, benefits for mature people, is going to be sorely disappointed.

At the doctors you cannot understand a word the dark skinned doctors are saying, and have to plan your illness weeks ahead.

If you are assuming that the good old UK councils will find you a nice little retirement bungalow, think again, you'll be in the queue behind other people who have travelled from much far off lands than you have from Spain, and once you get into your 'secure' two bedroomed social housing property, you'll have to pay top dollar for the privilege, and be disadvantaged with bedroom tax if you want a spare room for the Grandkids.

After all this, because of the crap weather here, you'll also spend most of your days shut behind closed doors, there's no nice little street cafe's to enjoy a café con leche here, and you'd need your overcoat even if there was.

If you shop at Cortes Ingles now, you'll become Aldi man or woman when you get back. No huge bags of gorgeous juicy beefsteak tomatoes for sale in doorways here for a euro. The cost of living is trust me HORRENDOUS! I'm 60 ish and working harder than I ever have in my life just to keep my head above water.

All countries have some sort of corruption going on, the UK included. Spain is no different. If you don't want your bank account pillaged, don't leave your dosh in there. Stop blaming governments and rogue traders for ripping you off. YOU are responsible for your own well being, and protecting your assets, homes and making the right choices.

People who have suffered losses on property in Spain CHOSE to buy what they did, where they did and when they did. You cannot judge a country on those outcomes, and its' very easy to blame these outcomes on everyone, and everything other than your own lack of judgement. There are still hundreds of thousands of people who purchased property in Spain who are enjoying their lifestyle and with the odd visit back to Blighty absolutely KNOW they are in the better place.

I'm a lone traveller, and if the right affordable long term rental came along in a buzzy little village in Spain, I'd be booking my Ryanair flight back there tomorrow. Be careful what you wish for in the UK it might come true.




SandrainAlgorfa said:
Sunday, May 11, 2014 @ 11:26 AM

Donna773 and Caspecat, thanks for confirming that I'm not on my own in my opinions. I also get fed up with the 'Spain Bashing,' and the media's determination to portray only the bad side, without also presenting the opposing argument. There are hundreds of thousands of Brits who are perfectly happy here, but of course, that's not bad news, and bad news sells papers and boosts viewing figures.

I really wish they had used Donna's piece, because that would have gone some way to presenting a balanced viewpoint. Clearly, they weren't after balance, and that's annoying.



J.P.R. said:
Sunday, May 11, 2014 @ 5:07 PM

I also thought it odd for them to arrive at San Javier for Almeria. Surely Corvera would have been better ?


MikeandHelen said:
Sunday, May 11, 2014 @ 10:21 PM

Great Joke!

Last Time I looked Almeria has it's own airport.

As does Corvera, what a wonderful airport. Shame about the lack of planes, and Corvera Golf and Country Club with it's 40% completion and Social atmosphere.


BHTHE said:
Tuesday, May 13, 2014 @ 11:11 AM

The mood over Spain is due to 110,000 UK citizens being trapped by property issues, rose tinted specks and a blinkered aspect as above taken by only your own experiences are not helpful when so much in Spain needs to change, We caught a local stealing from our Business in Tarragona, the result so far, He admitted all guilt, the court let him off processed the case without our knowledge under civil Law ,not criminal as it should have been and then took 78,000€ off of us, and gave our properties to him Mummy and Daddy, we also saw Spain as you, now we see the reality, 6 years on still trying to rectify the unlawful actions carried out by the Spanish Law. Sorry your view will change as you see more over time.


mikeab said:
Tuesday, May 13, 2014 @ 12:37 PM

The former prime minister, Jose MarIa Aznar, owns an apartment in Marbella in a building that wasn't properly licensed. Actor and local hero Antonio Banderas has also found himself in a tricky situation. Like most of the property owners caught up in the fiasco, they probably had no idea that there were problems around the planning licences.

So, if these two Spaniards can end up purchasing illegal properties, what chance have us Brits got......bugger all!!




Pasha01 said:
Tuesday, May 13, 2014 @ 1:04 PM

I do have to laugh when some go on about Spanish bashing. If telling the truth about experiences people have had to go through, losing thousands of pounds and euros along the way, never mind the trauma and angst, long may it continue. Spain has many good points but too many have suffered at the hands of corruption of which there is no end in sight.


BHTHE said:
Wednesday, May 14, 2014 @ 8:46 AM

We spent 10 years promoting Spa in we lived in an area unspoilt and unknown, we built up the area, we were on a place in the sun, we were interviewed twice by BBC radio , our thanks. The Local Judge gave us an embargo for 78,000€ 24 hours to pay it when we reported a local boy stealing from our Business, the result was a stream of court actions and all we invested was taken, even though the Boys statement admitted all guilt. The embargo was by the way incorrect and had no paper work, Please stop Bulling Spain up, we now are using our promotional skills that built up the area to the opposite effect , we have stopped 1 client from investing his 10 billion portfolio in Spain, we would say rent, enjoy the sun, never invest, the country is not safe. especially the Tarragona area. The Law in Spain does not exist, and Spain should not be an EU member, if Spain remains in the EU then the UK should withdraw its membership.


Tommyscouser said:
Wednesday, May 14, 2014 @ 10:39 AM

BYTHE
Yes spain is a brutal regime . The Canary Islands are even worse than the peninsula as they are under Spanish law , with additional local laws dating back to the early ages .
I had a similar case , I bought my son a quad bike under finance , to cut a very long story short we never received the goods with the supplier making every excuse under the sun . About 3 years later I revived a letter from uno bank asking me to pay them 12600€ ! I asked them what was this about and they explained for a quad bike . I explained in full the story of what had happened with the supplier to no avail . They took me to court which I had to get representation to defend myself . My lawyer had made a criminal charge against the supplier for fraud because he had received the money from the uno bank . Any way the final out come was the thief got away with the criminal charges , kept the banks money and I got a black mark against my name and have to pay in total 16500 € back to uno bank plus 3500 to my solicitor and have nothing to show for it . Not a single piece of evidence stacked up . In a lawful country this would not have even got into a court of law . So I as the last blogger have a right to bash spain and all you do gooders are obviously retired , property owners in your own little bubble ! Wake up and smell the coffee .


Pasha01 said:
Wednesday, May 14, 2014 @ 12:48 PM

The last 2 posts say everything about the corrupt and bad side of Spain. More and more is coming out about these terrible cases that have hit to people who went to Spain and invested huge amounts of money. The Spanish don't have much regard for the British, but they do like our hard earned cash. Millions have been invested in property and businesses and millions have been spent in the Spanish shops. Yet still in the main we are treated with contempt. As another poster pointed out your NIE number starts with an X.


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