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A Foot in Two Campos

Thoughts from a brand new home-owner in the Axarquía region of Málaga. I hope there might be some information and experiences of use to other new purchasers, plus the occasional line to provoke thought or discussion.

19 - Defining "Home"
Monday, September 17, 2012 @ 11:21 PM

Well, blog number 7 “Going Home” http://bit.ly/Rf54ZP provoked a storm of debate on Eye on Spain www.eyeonspain.com  where the different views of many ex-pats and extranjeros, part-time and full-time in Spain, weighed in with their fascinating perspectives on what defines “home”.  Blog number 10 “Returning to Spain” http://bit.ly/QuE6yA described the impact watching the Olympics had on my perception of Britishness.  Then, in Blog number 15 http://bit.ly/Pk42xx I wrote a bit about my mother and her extraordinary background of rootlessness, which may well have led to my ability to be “at home” pretty much anywhere.

Since then, and inspired by some of the comments on Eye on Spain, I have continued to listen in on conversations about “home” and to think about how people use the word.  A fascinating conversation in a bar with a British couple who live six months in Cape Town and six months in Spain, led to a view that “Home is where you are”.  But we then rapidly recognised that this cannot be the case for people trapped by circumstances such as work – or lack of it – in a place they don’t particularly want to be.  Young people unable to move out of their parents’ house due to lack of work, a single mum stuck in a poorly-paid job away from family support, or ex-pats in Spain wanting to return to the UK but trapped by the property slump in Spain and by UK prices which are still higher than whatever they’ll get if they can sell their Spanish home.

So the sentiment seemed right, but with the significant caveat that “Home is where you are” works only for people who have choices over where they are.  Carole and Rob have not kept a base in the UK, and spend April to October in Spain and November to March in Cape Town.  They are clear – both those places are home, and for them the UK is not home, but merely their homeland.

Comments on Eye on Spain ranged from disgruntled ex-pats who wanted to return “home” to the UK but didn’t have a physical home there to go to, to contented ex-pats who have made their permanent home in Spain and have no desire to return to the UK.  And a good smattering of every possible position in between!   Louise suggested it is important to keep a base in the UK when moving to Spain.  Sound advice, but not an option for everyone.

On such a small sample as those who commented on the Eye on Spain blog it is impossible to draw any statistically significant conclusions.  But it seems fair to say that when first moving to a new country, it is sensible (if at all possible) to keep a base in the homeland, in case “living the dream” turns out to be just a fantasy once the August heat or the January freeze hits new residents who had only visited in the balmy months of May and September before.  Not surprisingly, those who had learned the language to a reasonable level before taking the plunge also seemed more relaxed, and less angry about “Spanish bureaucracy” (a big bugbear on the Eye on Spain forums).   One discussion on the forums focused on the question of how someone can really have all the information they need to function in another country if they don’t have the language to pick up the obvious and less obvious sources of information.

It occurred to me that in the UK I have an automatic or instinctive understanding of when things are going well, or badly, for most of society or for an identified part of it.  So during the Olympics there was an almost universal assumption that everyone on the train or in the supermarket queue had seen Mo Farah win the 5,000 metre race, and that everyone was delighted.  When there is a very late, heavy cold snap there is an almost universal assumption that this will be bad for some harvest or other, and this can be brought up safely as a topic of sympathetic conversation at the farmers’ market.  Do we have the equivalent understanding in our adopted country? 

This week my neighbor Rafael has been bringing home the sacks of almonds he has harvested, and his family has been sorting them into the high-quality heap and the medium-quality heap.  My knowledge of the conditions required for a good almond harvest is non-existent.  But he and his extended family make up most of my immediate neighbours, so a degree of understanding of whether it went badly or well for them is quite important.  Without the language to ask him, I would have been left gesticulating, giving him the thumbs up because it looked like a lot of almonds to me, with no way of knowing whether it means that a newer car is imminent this autumn, or whether in fact the belts will be tightened instead.

The topic of home arose again amongst another group of friends, and this time the agreed definition was that “Home is where you feel you belong.”  And following this thought came the recognition that someone living in more than one place is not rootless, but able to put roots down wherever they are.  Not a skill everyone has.  But this view makes it clearer that one can live in two countries and see them both equally as “home”.

And finally, as one astute woman on Eye on Spain commented:  “Some people just aren’t cut out for living in someone else’s country”.  And each of us needs to look deep inside ourselves before making the move, to ensure we have what we will need - flexibility, resilience, a genuine interest in and respect for other cultures, an understanding that things can be done differently and that’s not a crisis or wrong, and the ability (and independence) to create a home wherever we are.

 

 

© Tamara Essex 2012



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Patricia (Campana) said:
Monday, September 17, 2012 @ 10:25 PM

That was me, Tamara. I have said it before and I'll say it again: "Some people are not cut out for living in another country."

I have reached the conclusion over the many many years (decades) I have lived in Spain that some people, too many, move abroad, not necessarily to Spain, for the wrong reasons. Peer pressure, spousal pressure, dissatisfaction with one's life, even depression, and the vain hope that somehow everything will light up in glowing colours once one moves abroad.
The old Roman got it right: " Caelum, non animum mutant qui trans mare currunt". Wherever you go, there you are.

And no, not everyone has the skill to put down roots anywhere. My advice still is - maybe a counsel of perfection for some - to keep some kind of accommodation back home, even if only a bed-sit, until you find out if you are able to deal with living abroad. I shall go further and say that if you can't afford to do this, then don't move until you can.

Great blog, Tamara!
Patricia











Poppyseed said:
Monday, September 17, 2012 @ 11:21 PM

I have found this topic very interesting. My husband has worked abroad for over 30 years, we spent some of that time as a family overseas but I returned to the UK for the children's education and to give them some stability. For the last 10 years I've been a bit of a hobo living between 3 counties which has now increased to 4 countries, I have tried to make each location as homely as possible and happy in each of them but and am fed up of it and want a 'proper home'. To be honest where that is is less important than actually having one somewhere instead of stuff in boxes here there and everywhere, losing track of where (which country) the good lemon squeezer is, thinking I've got something in the cupboard and realising it's in a different cupboard in a different county. My wake up regime is a) where am I? b) what day is it? c) what time is it ?d) do I have to get up and catch a plane? (I often wake up in a panic thinking I missed a flight). What I have found is when I was younger this was not a problem even with a couple of young children in tow I could readily adapt to anything, dicing with death driving round Green Square in Tripoli in a beat up old Datsun in scorching heat with no ac, queuing up in the square with jerrycans for sweet water, being bombed by the Americans, no problem at all! But as I get older I am feeling the need for a 'proper' home where I could unpack and surround myself with all my treasures and familiar things and have some sort of routine and be in one place long enough to get involved with some activities. We're working on achieving this, it's been fun but time to settle down now I think. As we have been nomands for so long I think we can adapt pretty well, wherever we end up it will be one of the countries we are already used to, but I also think as people get older it can be harder to adapt to change especially if they are not used to it. Looking forward to reading more of your adventures.


Gerald said:
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 1:49 AM

So very thought provoking Tamara, and for someone who has not made "the leap of faith" quite frightening.
Continuing onwards to read Patricia's comment, it seems to press home (sorry for the pun!) the point being, "don't emigrate" unless you are rich & can afford two homes. Most people can't.
I have travelled around quite a lot and personally find that, "wherever I hang my hat, that's my home". I'm happy wherever I am and cannot understand homesickness and as you say Tamara, "home is where you are"
BUT I'm afraid ultimately home will always be the country of my birth and infant nurture which is England



Patricia (Campana) said:
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 2:21 PM

Hello Gerald: I agree that eventually home is the country of birth and where one was brought up. Certainly during my decades in Spain I never lost touch with Ireland, my parents were alive then and as air travel became more convenient I would travel back when I could.

Just my opinion, I don't think one has to necessarily be rich to have the bolt-hole back in one's country and a place in another country. There is always the possibility of letting the bolt-hole, and if one decides the foreign country is not the cup of tea, then there is time to arrange to go back.

I always thought it was madness when people sold up all they had just to get together the money to buy abroad. Talk about burning bridges. Evidently, if after a few years those who have gone abroad find that abroad is where it is going to be, then by all means sell the bolt-hole.

The number of people who have asked me down the years "what would you do, you've lived here a very long time. But you see, my experience would not be theirs, nor would my way of thinking. But on a purely practical level, I would still have to say to them: "don't burn the bridges...at least not for a while".




Gerald said:
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 8:58 PM

I do like the blogs, because rational people tend to write on them without things becoming a slanging match as the other place & sorry Tamara for hijacking your blog.
Patricia Yes I agree - almost - with you about a bolt hole. However my whole life plans have been "never to go back". Bolt holes to me are the soft option. My home is exactly the way the noble Romans put it, "Caelum non animum......." The other thought is, "You've made your bed now lie in it". I am a Libran, I may take a time to reach a decision but it is rarely wrong.


Gerald said:
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 9:04 PM

Oh! love the photographs Tamara. Interesting the flags especially the European flag, which is never seen flying in England.


Patricia (Campana) said:
Tuesday, September 18, 2012 @ 11:11 PM

Hello Gerald, fellow-Libran! On the 26th Sept. I shall be having a few champagnes.

Yes, the never going back is probably great for the real adventurer (you, and probably even me), but many, maybe most, who head for abroad to that place in the sun have lived in a rather safe and maybe unadventurous environment. For them a burn the bridges policy would be pure folly, IS pure folly.

I agree, Gerald, this is an excellent blog and a very nice place Tamara has created for us. Don't tell me they are STILL slanging on the other place here! I really do wonder sometimes about people.




Gerald said:
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 @ 11:18 AM

True Patricia, some people do little research & think that a few weeks holiday paradise is going to be the same for 52 weeks each year.
I suppose I always a few bolt holes in England, but it won't come to that. I won't back !!!
Make the best of the cards you'r dealt (but have a peek at them first!).

Oh! Happy birthday for next Friday ....


Patricia (Campana) said:
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 @ 4:05 PM

Thanks, Gerald! And no doubt your birthday will be soon too, so the same to you and many of them.




Tamara said:
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 @ 7:14 PM

Happy imminent birthdays Patricia and Gerald! I didn't mean to frighten you Gerald. Surely fore-warned is fore-armed? Anyway, you've done a lot of thinking and planning. Personally l agree with Patricia about keeping a bolt hole. Ironically, l think that having one means you need it less as you don't feel trapped by circumstance.

Oh and yes, they are still sniping at each other over on EOS forums!


Patricia (Campana) said:
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 @ 9:53 PM

I agree, Tamara. Best to ask for and listen to advice before making the move.
As you say, having the bolt-hole gives that sense of security, and you don't feel trapped.
I think many of the problems arose with people buying off-plan in a fit of euphoria. That off-plan stuff was really for only the toughest and the hardiest, if at all.
I can't fathom those who run down their own country, hate its (their) government, the rules and laws (they are there for a reason) and the other people around them. So, disgruntled and aggrieved they set off for a foreign clime, which they decide they also hate.
I have seen insanity defined as "doing the same thing over and over yet expecting a different result."

The sniping...I can just imagine.




moonbeam said:
Friday, September 21, 2012 @ 2:54 PM

Something I don´t remember being mentioned, is that after coming here almost 25 years ago with my work and being thrown into total immersion immediately, I have had this strange sensation over many years when visiting England that I am now in a place where neither country is 100 per cent ´home´. A weird sensation!!

I have to say that the sniping on the forums actually gives me a good chuckle!! I don´t think it´s meant to be taken too seriously.


Patricia (Campana) said:
Saturday, September 22, 2012 @ 5:48 PM

Yes, one does indeed sometimes have that sensation, Moonbeam.

The sniping: I never thought it was funny, as on so many occasions it degenerates into personal attack. Robust debate, argument yes; personal attack, no.
One of the reasons I never post over there.

It is so good that Tamara has this blog. And it's looking like it is going to be very successful.


moonbeam said:
Sunday, September 23, 2012 @ 2:33 PM

Probably my peverse sense of humour!! It makes me laugh because it sometimes degenerates into something so silly that it´s almost unbelievable. Rather like some of the terrible discussion shows on TV where they just shout and scream at each other rather than listening to another point of view. But I do agree that it should never degenerate into personal attacks.

Relieved to find that somebody else has had the same weird sensation of getting to the point where you are ´native´ in both countries, but then neither feel 100 per cent home. Enjoy my holidays back in England very much, but have to look carefully at the coins, remember to look the other way when crossing and driving,

hear people with accents talking rapidly and have to struggle to tune in to understand the conversation etc. etc....

Here, however good my language skills are, if people are in a group talking rapidly, and using new slang, I can still miss something. I don´t have a very extensive family circle who are always inviting me to weddings, communions, family events, to include in chats with colleagues. I can´t ask my brother to go round and sort out the garage as he knows about these things, nor ask my second cousin to sort out a problem with the ayuntamiento as he works there etc.etc....


Patricia (Campana) said:
Sunday, September 23, 2012 @ 8:58 PM

Indeed, Moonbeam. I suppose we become sort of "stateless". We have a place back in Ireland, and spend quite a bit of time there now. But I still feel, somehow, that Spain is home. I went out to Spain to study at Granada University, having studied Spanish in Ireland from age 13. It wasn't even my intention to stay in Spain, but I was offered a job, and you know how it is. "I'll just stay one year more...." Here I am.
There were years on end when all I spoke or heard was Spanish (except now and again at work or when I went back to Ireland).

At one time (like Tamara has done) we (my husband is Spanish) thought of buying something up in the "campo" or in a very small village. I think at the time what held us back were the practicalities of being remote.
It wasn't like now, where non-nationals have started to live in remote Spanish villages or out in the countryside. With the exception of an intrepid few, not many non-nationals would explore the interior of the country.










Moonbeam said:
Monday, September 24, 2012 @ 1:26 PM

Yes, I also think Spain has the edge regarding which country is more ´home´now. My husband is Spanish (but really English as he came here very young so became a citizen) so unfortunately we don´t have family here from his side either.

I think it must have been a great experience studying at University in Granada. A beautiful place. I have to say that I have travelled all around Spain, and to my mind, it is true that people in the south are friendlier! I have friends in Ireland and I have also found that people in Ireland are friendlier and usually keen to stop and have a chat.

I think it is lovely that Tamara has chosen a place in the country - like you I have often thought about it but then you have to consider practical aspects regarding work etc. Perhaps on retirement. I am so looking forward to enjoying my retirement here that so many forum contributors keep moaning about. I start to think it´s not so far off then the government announce another hike in the age! Until then I hope to enjoy the descriptions of Tamara´s slice of country life.




Patricia (Campana) said:
Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 2:59 PM

Hello Tamara:

Keep the blogs coming on this topic of defining home.

Patricia


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