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02 Oct 2019 11:04 by mariadecastro Star rating in Algeciras (Cadiz). 9212 posts Send private message

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https://www.costaluzlawyers.es/a-full-guide-on-residency-and-nationality-options-in-spain/

It may be interesting for any of you with questions on Brexit and residency

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02 Oct 2019 14:24 by Jimbofinn Star rating in Calasparra. 196 posts Send private message

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I did mine this morning 02/10/19 at the CNP office.  I had to take my passport, copies of every page even though the majority were blank. A completed EX18 form, my old (green) A4 size EU citizens residencia certificate, a copy of my Spanish Health Service Card and an up-to-date copy of my padron.  Having had these forms checked I was given three pages to present at the bank and pay the sum of €12.  Then a return to the CNP office and return the banks stamped pages. Process was then completed and my Residencia Permanente was issued.  I did this with my wife (same for her) without a cita previa all within 4+ hours.



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02 Oct 2019 16:04 by mariadecastro Star rating in Algeciras (Cadiz). 9212 posts Send private message

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Jimboffin, excelent! Congrats!



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02 Oct 2019 17:58 by angeleyes1 Star rating in Camposol & Bradford. 394 posts Send private message

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Hello Maria

A good and informative post, thank you.

Just a couple of questions that can cause some confusion.

What is the definition (figure) for ‘’financial means’’ for EU and non EU persons?

Healthcare Insurance. Whatever happened to ‘’Healthcare in Spain 'free and universal' to all residents, legal or not’’. Sept 2018.



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02 Oct 2019 19:26 by mariedav Star rating in Ciudad Quesada. 947 posts Send private message

Financial means for EU citizens is based on the minimum wage for Spain which is published by some government agency each year. I think it's around 800 euro per month per person so around 19,000 euro a year for a couple but will also depend on outgoings such as mortgage etc and can also depend on savings.

For a non EU citizen it is about $25,500 a year plus $6,000 for each dependant. or around €28,000 a year.

Spain does not, yet, have a government and hasn't since the last election. So whilst the current socialist caretaker government has proposed universal healthcare, it is not yet enshrined in law but those without proper documentation (doesn't apply to those from the EU or with passports etc) are being allowed free healthcare. Mainly due to many healthcare workers going on strike when the previous government said they weren't allowed to treat them. This left children unvaccinated or getting any basic medical care. 

We'll probably have to wait for the next election, which could be pretty soon, to get any further details.

As it was, you couldn't get free and universal healthcare in the first year which was to avoid health tourism. Another case of wait and see and would have been covered by an EHIC as a visitor.

 

 


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02 Oct 2019 22:09 by angeleyes1 Star rating in Camposol & Bradford. 394 posts Send private message

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Hello Mariedav

So basically it’s €9,600 per adult for a EU citizen and €23,269 for a Non EU citizen, why does anyone think there is such a disparity, is the cost of living different for EU citizens to non EU citizens?



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02 Oct 2019 22:26 by mariedav Star rating in Ciudad Quesada. 947 posts Send private message

Because that is the basic living wage for a Spaniard. As EU citizens you can't be treated differently.

It is the same in UK as well and UK has already said they will increase the amount for those from the EU after Brexit and have even gone further by stating the amount required will be £36,000. 

The current amount for a non-EU citizen in UK is £30,000 a year.

 

 





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02 Oct 2019 23:20 by angeleyes1 Star rating in Camposol & Bradford. 394 posts Send private message

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03 Oct 2019 10:05 by mariadecastro Star rating in Algeciras (Cadiz). 9212 posts Send private message

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ECONOMIC MEANS

Foreigners who wish to reside in Spain without performing a work or lucrative activity, must have sufficient financial means for the period of residence they are requesting, or prove a source of periodic  incomes, for themselves and, where appropriate, their family . Minimum amoounts as per below and are referred to the time of visa application or renewal of the authorization:

For its support, during its residence in Spain, an amount that represents  a 400% ( monthly)  of the Public Indicator of Multiple Effects Income (IPREM), or its legal equivalent in foreign currency. In 2019, the IPREM has been maintained in 537,84 € so, monthly minimum needs to be 2151,36 €


For the support of each of the family members in charge, during their residence in Spain, an amount that represents 100% of the IPREM monthly, or its legal equivalent in foreign currency, amount to be credited in addition to the one referred to in the previous section.

Way of proving this includes  patrimony that guarantees said  incomes, including  property titles, certified checks or credit cards. Shares and/or participations in companies also apply.

 



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03 Oct 2019 13:14 by Mickyfinn Star rating in Spain and France. 1870 posts Send private message

 Existing uk residents in Spain with permanent residency will be required to apply for a foreigners registration card post Brexit. Will income then be required to be proven to these levels? 



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03 Oct 2019 13:27 by angeleyes1 Star rating in Camposol & Bradford. 394 posts Send private message

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How can you be a UK resident and a permanent resident in Spain?



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03 Oct 2019 13:46 by Jarvi Star rating in Halifax UK and Sucin.... 704 posts Send private message

It's called "cherry picking" angel. Not allowed by the EU but needed by some of the ex pats who want to have their cake and eat it.





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03 Oct 2019 14:07 by angeleyes1 Star rating in Camposol & Bradford. 394 posts Send private message

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I’ve got the green A4 bit of paper with no expiry date, will I need a new thingy and will this be like last time 12 years ago, a visit somewhere, buy a ticket from a Morocan, take a pack lunch, tea and biscuits, garden chair and thick paperback? Will it be another job creation scheme?



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03 Oct 2019 14:40 by mariadecastro Star rating in Algeciras (Cadiz). 9212 posts Send private message

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Specific questions and answers on Brexit and residency here:

https://www.costaluzlawyers.es/2019/09/27/brexit-questions-for-uk-nationals-and-family-members-regarding-residency-in-spain/

 


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03 Oct 2019 14:46 by mariadecastro Star rating in Algeciras (Cadiz). 9212 posts Send private message

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Mickyfinn:

Answering your question:

Existing uk residents in Spain with permanent residency will be required to apply for a foreigners registration card post Brexit. Will income then be required to be proven to these levels? 

Yes , in an scenario of Brexit with no agreeement IF:

  1. You do not have a registration certificate
  2.  You do not engage in a professional employment activity in Spain.


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03 Oct 2019 15:04 by ads Star rating. 3919 posts Send private message

In practice are these proof of income checks currently being applied for those UK citizens seeking permanent residency in Spain I wonder?

 





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03 Oct 2019 15:07 by Mickyfinn Star rating in Spain and France. 1870 posts Send private message

Many thanks Maria for your reply.

"Uk residents in Spain" refers only to nationality. Marias reply indicates that post no deal as I fully expect, future UK retirees to Spain will require substantially more income. The current level for a couple of third country nation status is about €35k.    



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03 Oct 2019 15:21 by mariadecastro Star rating in Algeciras (Cadiz). 9212 posts Send private message

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Ads, we are not still in that scenarion. That would be in a no-deal-Brexit 



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03 Oct 2019 15:25 by ads Star rating. 3919 posts Send private message

So there is a new requirement to provide proof of income for permanent residency applications post Brexit ( but only in a no deal scenario) and all those provided with permanent residency  prior to end October ( unless there is an extension) will not be subjected to this level of proof? Is this correct?

Also is there a requirement of the Spanish Government to inform the UK govt when permanent residency in Spain has been approved?

 


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03 Oct 2019 16:08 by baz1946 Star rating. 2108 posts Send private message

Are you saying Micky that folk / couples who retire to Spain after what ever happens will need 35.000€ a year before they are allowed to come and live in Spain, thats approx 2,900€ a month, the Spanish minimum wage, if to be believed, is only  just over 1000€ a month, still only 2000€ if both working....Am I wrong?





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