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22 Apr 2009 00:00 by eltonia Star rating. 57 forum posts Send private message

This is all begining to close in on them all now, we are so elated,as for that guy moaning about being in a cell,i hope he wrots in there,and yes the others must be starting to get worried as the net is now closing in on them.I received a phone call from my Solicitor yesterday  Mr Ignaccio Morrillas who was ivestigating the Gemini wealth company Lesley Albericci is supposedly working for,it seems that because she has such as good data base on all her old clients,she is now trying to cash in on all our names/contacts  etc and working on a commission basis.Also GAC europe is another  SCAM,BEWARE --DONT TOUCH IT WITH A BARGEPOLE- THEY JUST WANT YOUR MONEY ALL OVER AGAIN,IS SHE EVER GOING TO GIVE UP!!

I'm just hoping that when the time comes ,the Crime Sqaud are able to seize all assets that have been put in partners/families names of these crooks and get back what is rightfully ours




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25 Apr 2009 13:38 by James Lynch Star rating in Bracknell. 22 forum posts Send private message

Hi Eltonia.

Have I missed something,,who has been sent to prison?

Thanks

James




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25 Apr 2009 16:05 by jojan Star rating. 194 forum posts Send private message

Hi James

Check out 'OVP - The Truth' posting, you will see the extract from the Sunday Express.

Jojan




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27 Apr 2009 17:16 by jtms Star rating. 27 forum posts Send private message

So it's the end of April. Anyone get any money back?  What about a new date for a refund? I've heard end of May or June? Hope evryone has contacted the police and the liquidator by now?




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29 Apr 2009 13:18 by sheppy Star rating. 20 forum posts Send private message

Hi JTMS,

We have lost a lot of money through this company and have been in touch with Staffordshire Police, is it also worth getting in touch with the liquidators?  I really didn't think there was anything they could do for us all now.  If you recommend getting in touch with them could you give me a contact name and number and please not S Jones I don't think I could keep my calm speaking to that.

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29 Apr 2009 14:02 by jtms Star rating. 27 forum posts Send private message

Sheppy the company is run by the liquidator now. OVP doesn't exist and the directors have nothing to do with it. Despite what they may say to people.

We may well get nothing back but we could get a couple of pence in the pound????? Maybe they find some assets to sell??? Call 01612348469 and register. I think there is a meeting 6th June to decide what will happen??? Please check and confirm if you can?

I don't know whether we have to wait for the police investigation to be concluded before we can take action against the directors??? Does anyone know?




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29 Apr 2009 22:05 by sheppy Star rating. 20 forum posts Send private message

Hi JTMS,

Thanks a million for your response, have called liquidators this afternoon and logged our details with them, they are now going to forward some info to me along with info for the meeting due to take place I think they said 5th June which my husband and I will be attending.  There are no words to describe the anger and disgust that we all feel for the way we have been treated, how dare these thieves steel our money.   Lets hope justice will be done eventually.

 

 

 




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30 Apr 2009 12:06 by chilax Star rating. 43 forum posts Send private message

Sheppy I agree, I will do all I possibly can to ensure these pieces of scum pay for what they have done! I have just read a sad story on another website regarding EBCC/OVP, where a young couple have fallen behind in their mortgage payments, becoming ill with depression and just had a miscarriage caused by stress from the whole fiasco! I find this absolutely disgusting.  

Does anybody know how the liquidators will be able to do anything for the Estepona clients, I've heard that staffs police are in contact with some of the ex directors and that the money that Estepona clients paid was given to Ricardo Miranda, which should be returned via the developer. Why would they give us money from liquidation when our deposits are sitting in Spain?? I guess this all the kind of stuff the criminal investigation will uncover.

I will definately be attending the meeting, it will be a good opportunity for us all to collect contact details for each other in order to get as many people as possible within 1 group to take further action if needed.

Has anybody tried contacting the office in Spain recently?




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30 Apr 2009 13:59 by sheppy Star rating. 20 forum posts Send private message

My thoughts exactly, lets all get together now and see what we can achieve, we cannot give up this fight until we have exhausted every possible option, these robbers have abosolutely no right to steel our money, who on earth do they think they are.  What about that poor couple I real feel for them and lets hope what goes around comes around.  We are in the process of selling our house now to down size to reduce our mortgage payments so that we can have a life again, but it doesn't take away the fact that these pigs have stolen my daughters inheritance as far as I am concerned.  Let all get together on a united front and bring them down.




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30 Apr 2009 14:21 by rivendale51 Star rating. 5 forum posts Send private message

I have also received the forms in the post from the insolvency service regarding the liquidation of OVP.

their are forms that we need to complete in order for us to be considered creditors of OVP.

One of them is a proof of debt form. I never had my contract from EBCC returned to me by the developer.

The only proof i have is a letter from OVP saying that they have received my deposit of 87000 euros + i could

probably get a back dated statement showing the money leaving my bank account (what a terrible day that turned out to be)!!

Does anyone have any advice on how we shoudl complete the forms?

 




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30 Apr 2009 15:12 by sheppy Star rating. 20 forum posts Send private message

I am yet to receive these forms, they should be with me shortly.  I wouldn't worry about not having a proper receipt from OV as I think that probably applies to 100% of their clients, this just shows the complete incompetence of the company, all we can show is what we have been given, a bank statement may be useful I must admit I have a copy of ours as proof.

 

Good luck




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30 Apr 2009 15:35 by jtms Star rating. 27 forum posts Send private message

Does anyone have a database with names and addresses of those people who are in similar positions? ie bought at Estepona, didn't transfer,same solicitors? 




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01 May 2009 10:29 by chilax Star rating. 43 forum posts Send private message

I dont think we have a database yet, but this is something we need to start compliling. At present there are too many groups/solicitors involved, we need 1 group in order to get action and screw these crooks into the ground! I guess the meeting will be the best time to start getting a list.

At the moment I'm not sure how the liquidators are actually dealing with this case, it seems to me that if you didn't contact them you may never of known that any of this was going on, because I spoke to a couple yesterday who knew nothing about any of this! They dont use the internet and just presumed there was a delay with the site, how many more are there like that?? I dont think the insolvency service or the economic crime unit have ever seen a case on this scale before!

We're talking a £20 million + scam on Estepona Beach alone!

Has anybody called Miranda's office in Spain yet? He works from this office, planning his next scam I guess!

Glorieta de Ruben Dario
3. 4o IZQ.
28010
Madrid
Spain
 
Tel:
Eva Sotres
+ 34 917 024 697
 




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07 May 2009 13:53 by sheppy Star rating. 20 forum posts Send private message

Has anyone else received three copies of the same thing from the liquidators. I have also received a letter from Mazars, I'm not about to do anything with it, trouble is just don't trust anyone now, what have these people done to us as individuals, bloody nightmare!!!




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07 May 2009 16:54 by joey123 Star rating. 136 forum posts Send private message

I had one from The Insolancy Service. What is the one from Mazars about?

Does anyone agree we should not accept being listed as creditors of OVP. The money was never to be included as part of their trading assets, but in a designated client account (bonded/escrow account or whatever). If you accept you are creditors you are perhaps not helping your case. My view is the money was misappropriated (maybe taken) and should not have been. I would make a point of this to the Insolvency Service. 

Who will be a the creditors meeting anyway to make a fuss? 

Joey123




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08 May 2009 12:29 by joey123 Star rating. 136 forum posts Send private message

As an another conned OVP "investor", in Estepona Beach and Country Club, my personal view is that I will be telling the Insolvancy Service my deposit was never to be part of the trading assets of OVP (which according to OVP when trying to get us to part with my money was the case) but was to be held in a designated client account until the planning permission (build licence) was granted.  They did not do that so have basically stolen my money as they do not have it to return it. So I suggest if the same applies to you make sure you resist being listed a creditor as you will be getting bugger all from the liquidation but ensure they know the truth and ask them to investigate said company and director and shareholder, together with the police and get some justice.

Although they did get the "licence to place the site hut and to start scrapping the ground" - what a load of rubbish - as accompanied by the wonderful Disney news and picture of Mickey Mouse!

Tell the polce. Tel the Insolvency Service what has happened.  If they have done nothing wrong they have nothing to fear. Tell Ted Jeory at the Sunday Express. He likes OVP stories.

 


 



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08 May 2009 18:22 by joey123 Star rating. 136 forum posts Send private message

See following news:

Oceanview Properties International Ltd

The Official Receiver is conducting an investigation into the collapse of Oceanview Properties International Ltd, and a letter to creditors has been sent out with a request for all relevant information.


Staffordshire Police, the Serious Fraud Office and the City of London Police have been working closely with the Insolvency Service in respect of allegations made concerning the activities of the company and its officers.  Further meetings between these agencies have been scheduled to review the findings and consider any evidence of criminal conduct within the UK.


Any creditor wishing to register their claim with the Insolvency Service should provide their details prior to the creditors meeting to be held on 5 June 2009.
 

They can do this either in writing to The Case Administrator,  The Insolvency Service, Public Interest Unit (North), 3 Piccadilly Place, London Road, Manchester, M1 3BN, or by ringing 0161 234 8469 or by e-mailing piu.north@insolvency.gsi.gov.uk <mailto:piu.north@insolvency.gsi.gov.uk


 



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08 May 2009 21:34 by jtms Star rating. 27 forum posts Send private message

I must say I'm not at all sure as to what to do!

As Joey said. "Are those of us with un built properties at Estepona creditors?" My contract says my money should be kept secure in a client account with a guarantee at all times. With no third party access. And the account money does not form part of the company assets???? If it is not part of the assets we are not creditors?? I'm not sure what we are? The money should still be there. If it is not it must be fraud. I hope the receiver has the power to find it? Or is that down to the Police?


note(a) on the report from the receiver states that all the figures do not take into account claims for return of monies for off plan properties. That the receiver intends to take legal advice as to the status of those claims. I assume that he too is not sure if we are creditors and will take legal advice? In the meantime we are to send in the proof of debt form and photo copies of letters from ovp saying they received the money? That is what I am going to do. I'm also going to send photo copies of the contract with the clauses I talked about above. That is misconduct and the receiver asks for details of that on the information sheet.

As to going to Manchester and voting I have no idea as to what I should be voting for? Does anyone know or can someone help?

Should the forms be sent back recorded delivery? I worry as I had to phone twice and ask for forms to be sent out again. They had no record of my previous registration! Then someone says they received three forms! And the Police never got back to me either. I was told the local Police would come out to take statements. They are not interested. It seems everyone and everything to do with this is incompetant. A complete shambles. It needs someone with some good organisational skills to pull this together.

It looks to me as if OVP are still owed 6.4 million Euros from an out of court settlement with the developers. Maybe the receiver can chase that money? Any ideas?


Any help or news would be welcome. Thanks.




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08 May 2009 23:08 by sheppy Star rating. 20 forum posts Send private message

I think the best way forward here is to wait now until the meeting in June and then have our say, they should be able to shed some light on what may happen now and this meeting also gives us all a chance to exchange details and see if between us all we can come up with the best way forward, lets not give up until we have exhausted absolutely every option these ba***rds have no right keeping hold of our money!!! I say sell their homes (the directors) put them out on the street where they belong!!!




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09 May 2009 09:49 by ang Star rating. 22 forum posts Send private message

HI all,  just to let you know I have spoken to the Liquidator about the money NOT being part of OVP trading assets etc etc etc, told him it all.    He said two things, firstly the forms we have been sent are to register with them and only if we register can we have the right to vote on the appointment of the official liquidator on June 5th, if you havent registered you cant vote.  

   Secondly they know all about the fact that this should have been kept in an Escrow/bonded account and that we consider the money stolen, he  said we still need to register.        We have started to gather documentation to send to them,  I am not sure what NOT registering will gain us, if we are listed as creditors what does that mean for us?  where would  the problem be for us?  we will still be owed the money , anyone got the arguments for and against registering they can relay here.       




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