sky tv in spain.

hi when we ever sell or rent owe house in sunny england and move to rainy spain, i am going to start my own business up fitting sky tv? is there much demand for this service??

Will that be LEGAL sky or the same as we seem to get now, which apparently is not legal?

Can't make any sense of the recent goings on myself as we now seem to have sky back and other providers never lost it anyway!!

i've been told sky is legal in spain but its ellegal for any one from sky to work in spain as mr mr sky him self would not pay the spainish taxes.

Think you might need to get another opinion on the legality of Sky in Spain.................especially as one provider CUT ALL the Sky programmes ( tho we have them back I think now ) and we were all told that all other providers would have to stop showing Sky eventually.
It seems the only way to do it is to but the Sky card and pay UK prices for viewing over here...........................and even tho there is one provider doing that I still am not sure it is legal.

oh where to start.....

receiving tv channels that are broadcast for free via satellite is not illegal.
receiving subscription tv channels via satellite is not illegal.
using a sky card outside of the UK is not illegal. it is however against the terms and conditions of your sky contract - but how do they know that the card is out of the country ()

the rebroadcasting of any tv signals is illegal (unless you have the required copyright requests from the broadcasters and the programme makers - which they do not)

unfortunately there are many installers of sky, free and other european tv satellite services. To start from scratch could be a pain as many of the clients are done via word of mouth and recommentations - unless you find an area that really requires the service - i have heard that the north of spain does lack installers.

Hope this helps

Telmicro Levante are claiming that now they only broadcast "RIGHTS PAID" channels,ther must be some truth in it as they have it flashing up on their channel every 5 mins.
I guess we will know the truth over the test of time.
They now broadcast as before but without sky movies (no great loss)
At least we have our beloved sky sports back for the new season...............

they may claim that, but they wold not have the correct permissions. they may be paying a sky subscription for a sky card in a sky digibox and then sending that signal out to ther clients (not allowed in the T&C's of sky contracts), but that is not the same as paying for the rights to rebroadcast!

for example, the FA sell the FA Premier league rights to broadcasters in each country. Sky and setanta have the rights to broadcast the games in the UK and Ireland ONLY. TVE won the rights to watch the premier league in Spain only. If sky were to allow the rebroadcasters to legally transmit their channels to spanish houses, sky would be in breach of its FA contract, and both the FA and TVE can take Sky to court for this breach. if sky wanted pan european rights for the fa prem league so that it could legitimatly broadcast over the whole of europe, they would have to pay the FA a lot more than the £2billion they pay for the 4 year UK only coverage. and then you must also think that their subscription prices will also increase dramatically. 

so sky, and other satellite services do the best they can to limit their channels to their own territories, either by restricting their signal (eg BBC and ITV on Astra 2D) or by issueing subscription cards to own territory houses.

so these rebroadcasters may say they can legally rebroadcast these SKY channels, but in truth they cannot. if you go to their office ask them if you can see a copy of the contract between them and sky or the beeb which allows them to rebroadcast.

i think that it is slightly different when rebroadcasting spainish free channels to spanish homes, but the same would still apply to spainish subscription tv (D+).

and EU law is unsure are to how to handle this area. it recognises freedom of movement of goods and services between member states, but then their TV and media recognised the difficulties of TV contracts and how it is almost impossible to impliment pan european tv contracts between member states!

i dont want this to turn into a sky / rebroadcasting / eu law bashing thread. but these are the facts explained as simply as i can.


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fortunsat...

Will you do us all a favour....

and STOP your blatant self-advertising!!!!

If you want to offer some help, and in doing so help promote your business that is one thing...

But your blatant self-advertising just annoys the HELL out of me... and quite a few others!!!

Get your Sky card via an address in the UK. or if you are still in the UK bring it with you. You will have no problems whatsoever. I've been happily watching Sky for years now in various European countries. My contract small print stated I needed a UK landline for a period of one year. Many people in the UK don't have landlines as they use Skype or similar or just a mobile but I can't imagine that they are barred from subscribing to Sky. Landlines are rapidly decreasing in number per head of population anyway.

The only problem I've found is with ESPN. Just recently the signal has got distorted after about thirty minutes of viewing and it becomes impossible to watch any further. Most annoying when in the middle of an exciting football match. We also seem to have lost Euronews in English and our Spanish tv channel.

So tobyw if you are reading this: I and many thousands of others are still receiving hundreds of Sky channels. I am still waiting for my arrest warrant!!

Having just become a sky customer in the UK (I now use my sky box in France and Spain) I can answer the question on sky boxes and telephones, its very simple if you let sky connect your box to your landline phone then you are tied into a 12 month agreement to keep the phone line connected.

If you do as I did and told them that I had no landline their reply is " that’s ok it doesn’t matter but it will cost you £25 extra on the set up cost".

For those of you who don’t know what the phone link is for its so that you can use the interactive features i.e. book a box office movie, if I wanted a box office movie I would need to phone them via my mobile to book it which of course I am not stupid enough to do when abroad as it would alert them to the fact that I was viewing abroad,  the installing engineer told me that sky will stun your box if they find out you are viewing abroad.

Comments on the loss of some channels are valid, again the engineer told me that when abroad the satellite dish size and alignment become critical or the loss of some channels or no reception if its raining is a certainty.  His advice was;- a dish of at least 120 cm (look at the dishes around you as you may need bigger) and have it aligned by someone who knows what they are doing.

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A sensible post on Sky  - thanks. Much rubbish has been posted about Sky in Spain, you have stated precisely how it works.I make calls to order stuff using Skype which has a UK number so no problem. I can't be bothered to get someone in to align the dish as I get the hundreds of other channels available and we only watch ten of them at the very most. It's just nice to have the options.

And just a thought - as the initial contract states you must have a UK line for twelve months, I don't suppose Sky  give a monkey's what you hasve or don't have after that. It's the UK address that's important.

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SKY BOXES & SKY CARDS IN SPAIN - When looking at purchasing a SKY box or SKY card to be used in Spain you should definately go for a box and card from a dealer in Spain as the new box and card will be registered as not being connected to the UK telephone line. I would suggest always finding a supplier that has been trading for many years in Spain to get the box and card for you plus you will not have to ever call sky directly.

If you are interested in SKY HD then do not be tempted in to buying from ebay, always look for a supplier here in Spain, so that should anything go wrong you have someone local that you can call.

If you get stuck feel free to PM me and I can try to point you in the right direction.

WARNING : "Special black boxes" many of you may have seen adverts in some of the local FREE EX-PAT papers offering a "special black box" that allows you to watch sky sports, sky movies, documentaries etc. These boxes are NOT Manufactured by SKY and are TOTALLY ILLEGAL "DO NOT RISK IT" always try and deal with a SKY TV SUPPLIER that is SL registered or that has been trading for many years. All "official" SKY boxes come with various user guides bearing the "SKY" logo, if it does not say "SKY" on the box then it is a "Illegal clone box" DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY only buy official SKY equipment.

 

 

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fortunasat, you need to take a moment to read the forum rules before you post again.

We was only saying we had the new 500gb HD Sky boxes in stock and the new 1tb boxes in

seems that this forum has different rules for different members maybe if we paid you money like others you would keep our comments on lol nothing is mentioined about EOS comments

Hi Fortunasat

What do you think of the new 500GB HD SKY "3D" ready satellite receiver?

I installed a 60" LED Display that we imported from UK and initially the client had a standard definition sky box when we attached the new SKY+HD Box the picture was almost lifelike, and the picture was so crisp and vibrant colours and they can now get CH4 HD (son is big brother fan)

Hi mrSkyTv we also have the ne 60lcd and the new philips with the rear colour Lighting I was admiring the big concrete base you did the other day its better now clients are realising they need to be Installed better I wonder if thats why we are both so busy .

Kind Regards hope to see you at the big do cabo roig

Yes you cannot beat a good concrete base! The new concrete system is working fantastic and there is no mess..Just taken delivery of my new 1.5 TB SKY+HD Box on Friday been testing it with the Panasonic LED TV been watching Harry Potter in 3D.. really impressed and with 1TB of personal storage I have been recording loads of stuff including the original "Italian Job" and in full high definition...

Keep your eye out for several new HD channels being added this month on SKY.

SKY BOXES & SKY CARDS IN SPAIN - When looking at purchasing a SKY box or SKY card to be used in Spain you should definately go for a box and card from a dealer in Spain as the new box and card will be registered as not being connected to the UK telephone line. I would suggest always finding a supplier that has been trading for many years in Spain to get the box and card for you plus you will not have to ever call sky directly.

If you are interested in SKY HD then do not be tempted in to buying from ebay, always look for a supplier here in Spain, so that should anything go wrong you have someone local that you can call.

If you get stuck feel free to PM me and I can try to point you in the right direction.

WARNING : "Special black boxes" many of you may have seen adverts in some of the local FREE EX-PAT papers offering a "special black box" that allows you to watch sky sports, sky movies, documentaries etc. These boxes are NOT Manufactured by SKY and are TOTALLY ILLEGAL "DO NOT RISK IT" always try and deal with a SKY TV SUPPLIER that is SL registered or that has been trading for many years. All "official" SKY boxes come with various user guides bearing the "SKY" logo, if it does not say "SKY" on the box then it is a "Illegal clone box" DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY only buy official SKY equipment.

I see that the last post by Fortunasat is exactly the same post as that posted by Mrskytv on 27th November.  And as for obtaining "legal" sky boxes from a "sky tv supplier that is SL registered" - well, what a load of poppycock.  Virtually everyone knows that you can't legally have (at the moment) sky Tv in Spain.  Two years ago I emailed sky to find out why they were missing out on the business opportunity of  running their business in Spain.  After explaing their reasons, they suggested that I should forward my email to their intelligence section for them to investigate.  Needless to state that I didn't do this.

EOS team, why do you allow Fortunasat and mrskytv to post on this site as they are both in cahoots (or the same business) with each other?

Jimbofinn

I think most on this forum know these expat types who all seem to get into SAT installations.

Half of them are driving around in UK regisered vehicles with nothing but a mobile phone.

Never pay a penny up front and then only when it has been working perfectly for one month.

 

 

Jim

Virtually everyone knows that you can't legally have (at the moment) sky Tv in Spain. 

Yet every other bar, literally 100's on the Costa are broadcasting Sky, how do they  get away with it?, why no crackdown? how could they crackdown?

S

Team GB

I can't remember exactly the reply the Sky gave me, suffice to say that I said more or less to them what you have stated in your reply to me.  Why don't you send them a quick email and see what they say to you?  I'm really not too bothered about their legal argument, my own reason for posting on this subject was the blatant advertising by fortunasat and mrskytv.

The use of a Sky card outside the UK and ROI is not "illegal", it is just against the terms and conditions of the contract you have with sky. As it is not a law, and just T&Cs it is up to Sky to terminate the contract should they find the terms have been broken. Perhaps there is a case for fraud, for saying that you are using the card in the UK when it is actually in Spain, but is Sky really going to chase and check up on all 10m cards? They will only do something if they suspect, or you say "I live in Spain and my card is number 123456789! This at least shows they are trying to do something to control the "grey" market, but then, if they try too hard then that is a lot of revenue from subscriptions they will lose. But then I am sure it is the same for all other EU pay TV broadcasters and expats in other EU countries...

If it were illegal, it would be written into Spanish Law, and the Guardia could arrest anyone using a Sky card...but they dont as they cannot. Commercial premesis may be different (a fair number inthe last few years have been told to get rid of UK sky and go to Digital+, as using another provider may be in breach of their commerical license), but they (Guardia) cannot do anything about it in your own home.

And remember the reason why Sky UK is not officially in Spain is that the channel it carries only buys the broadcast rights for the UK. Many Sky channels are actuall on on Digital+, and they own the rights for the programmes in Spain. So Discovery UK has the UK rights to Mythbusters, yet Discovery  D+ has the right to Mythbusters in Spain. If Discovery UK wanted to, it could buy the rights to the whole of the EU from the Mythbusters producers, and work out a way to get money from the subs...but better for the producers to get the most money and exposure by selling them to indicdual broadcasters.So its not about "sky cannot be in Spain", it more the channels they carry dont have the broadcast contracts for Spain.

Although, in the very long run this may change if the EU and UK courts have anything to say about this - re pub landlady vs FA, and selling rights on a coubntry by country basis, as opposed to on an EU basis. But then when the EU decided to interfere in UK FA rights last time on behalf of more choice and better deals for the consumer, UK viewers had to and still have to fork out for TWO subscriptions to watch UK footie (Sky and ESPN)...hows that in the public interest. And if the FA and all the other rights holders are toild to sell their rights on a Eurowide basis, then watch out for Sky Europe...I am sure that would go against the EUs monopoly rules...

And what about using non U cards, like ADMC, that show ALL UK premier league matches...(although that is OK for the UK as you need a 1.8/2.4m dish to get ADMC sport in the UK!)

(and this pub landlady was apparently using a domestic subscription and not a commercial subscription, so any ruling in her favour would mean the subsciption she is currently paying is incorrect, she should be paying the more expensive commercial rate, which may be lower than Skys but with less difference than she is getting using a domestic sub. So she will end up paying a lot more for her footie than she is already...i wonder if she thought this through properly.)

As for the posts prior, you only need a UK land line for Sky card if your card is part of a Sky multiroom contract, or you get your card dish and box installed by Sky in the UK and sign for their 12 month contract. Apart from that, for just new cards, no phoneline is required.

There are NO restrictions AT ALL on the sale of Sky boxes outside the UK and ROI.

PS. Not all of us drive UK vans and operate from mobiles....!

 

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Satandpcguy

Yet another great post, it's been proven over time you really do know your stuff, irrespective of whether or not you drive a uk registered van.

Please keep us updated

s

 

 

Unless I am going mad have you just like totally copied and pasted one of my posts on a different thread Fortunasat? LOL

Cheeky Monkey...Can you edit post and put "Courtesy of MRSKYTV"  hilarious...

On the subject of SKY CARDS IN SPAIN

I have been testing a new satellite receiver from our suppliers in Germany that allows a UK SKY subscriber to bring his SKY card on Holiday!

Or

Some people like the idea of taking there card to another room rather than having cables with magic eyes.

It has taken some time for expert programmers to eventualy back engineer the new encryption software that was introduced by SKY upon the launch of the new white sky viewing cards last year.

Will keep you posted after further testing...

I have read Jimbofins post and poppycock comment and I am rather upset as I am an SL Company that "officialy" imports sky boxes from UK and pay both IVA & TAX and have to pay €580 every three months to a gestor to do the accounts!

I also have a Spanish registered van even though it breaks my heart to see how cheap a new shape mercedes sprinter is in the UK!

I say "officially" as when my UK supplier bills me I get an invoice and that invoice is subject to VAT and TAX etc, so the importation is official and above board as the importation is declared in Spain and when I sell the box and card in Spain I am liable for the IVA & TAX on my profit.

 I do not want to get in to yet another discussion about whether you can use a sky card in Spain etc as there are 100's of threads that already deal with that side of things and I think that THE SAT & PC GUY covered below very clearly.

In closing; I still advise people to deal with a SL registered Company in Spain when looking to purchase a SKY BOX or SKY card as per my post that was posted here without my knowledge or permission. It is a constant irritation to find people copying what has taken you quite often several hours of work simply by clicking a couple of buttons in 5 seconds.

The reason I have taken time out from watching TV & eating my family size bag of peanut M&M's to write this is that Jimbofins has suggested that I am not official selling sky cards and boxes in Spain.

This was his rude comment:

And as for obtaining "legal" sky boxes from a "sky tv supplier that is SL registered" - well, what a load of poppycock

It is shame that threads always get hijacked by people that drone on about the "legaility" of watching, obtaining etc of SKY TV in Spain. AGAIN there are plenty of threads that deal with that there was one thread on EOS that was started by someone who then used a 2nd identity to keep backing himself up... It now appears to be clear that the same takes place on other threads.

I am happy to share my thoughts, my experiences, what I have been up to or thinking of doing, however if I am going to keep coming up against annoying people that use several identities to wind up genuine chaps like myself then I will be saying good bye to yet another forum as I simply cannot put up with the hurt that I feel when someone says that I am not official or not legal.

Whilst Forum rules prohibit blatant self promotion of wich I have never been accused of and totally agree with and have avoided falling foul of I am certainly not going to sit back and allow people to call my integrity in to questions as done by Jimbofins.

I trust this confirms my position and as the owner of a Legal SL registered Company with an official CIF number and an official Escatura that pays taxes & IVA in Spain etc should not be subject to your snide comments...as I am constantly up against people that are not "officially" registered in Spain that do not have IVA to pay, that do not have Tax to pay, That do not have a Gestor to pay either, and any receipt and or invoice you will receive from this type of "unofficial" installer is worthless.

Ah I feel better now I got that off my chest.. Can post pic of my van to anyone that is interested!with me in a Bikini..and wearing a sombrero...

 

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Can any of you TV experts confirm how I can receive German TV in Spain. Do I need a German digi box? I have been told a Spanish box will do as long as I have the dish moved to align with the German satellites, someone uses a German box when wanting to receive German TV.  Any advice would be much appreciated as I haven't a clue how it all works.

Many thanks.

For German free to air channel: a 80cm dish, pointing towards astra 1, and any free to air receiver (makes no difference where you buy it, as long as it is free to air satellite receiver!)

For German pay channels: as above but with a Sky Germany box and subscription card.