community president gone crazy!!!!!!

our community president wants to take us to court(using our community fees that we pay) for owning a CAT and allowing it to wander the gardens at its free will. The original community rules state no animals allowed in community areas. But the president has a dog and walks this in the community and also used community fees to have some stray cats neutered so that they didn't breed on community grounds. ALSO TO ADD INSULT TO THIS WE PASS THE SECURITY HUT EVERY DAY AND THERE IS A BOWL OF CAT FOOD AND WATER FOR THE STRAY CATS THAT THE SECURITY GUARDS FEED EVERY DAY!!!!!!!!!!!! BEGGARS BELIEF!!! And we are only talking of three or four cats that are owned by property owners. Has anyone heard of this before? I would love to hear your replies. thanks


This message was last edited by debwal on 4/22/2008.

Is this El Campanario ?

Deb, I don't think she's got a leg to stand on, just my view. She should be ridiculed for even thinking it.  (I appreciate no one wants any animals faeces left around so guess that's why she's taking this stance).

On our community we have an owner who put a gazebo up at the front of her property when community rules EXPRESSLY forbid it. President sent owner a letter. Owner said "take us to court, gazebo stays" in no uncertain terms. Administrator told community we should expect to have case go against us.

Tell her to do her worst.

From a cat lover.

Be careful... My little cat was killed (murdered!!) by our community president when he wandered into the communal garage, the only time that the doors had ever been left open.  Official line was that he had been run over.  Yeah right...

THANKS FOR YOUR REPLIES. KEEP THEM COMING. P.S  THE PRESIDENT IS TAKING US TO COURT UNDER THE LAW THAT STATES OUR CATS ARE A NUISANCE, BUT NOT THE STRAY CATS THAT ARE NOW ENTERING INTO OUR KITCHEN THROUGH A CAT FLAP THAT WAS VOTED AT A AGM MEETING THAT WE COULD KEEP. NOW WHERES THE SENSE IN THAT.?

hi debwal , i heard about your dilema through a friend of mine, i think the place in question you talking about is la cala hills, mijas costa.???????????????

I believe that if they win the court case they want to lock you out of your apartment for a maxium of 3 years if judge allows it and you will have to pay the court costs.

i agree it is utter madness that you have to keep your cat locked in but the neuterd stray cats can walk freely. it is laughable that a stray cat has more rights than an owner of an apartment.

all i can say is good luck and get rid of the president.

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Debwal, please take note of VickiT's post. It would be too tragic for something to happen to your cat as a result of this situation. Although the fact that the security guards openly feed the strays, and the president has used community funds to neuter (rather than murder) them suggests that he is not totally anti-cats.

If the community rules (estatutos) state no pets in communal areas, then you may have a problem allowing your cat out. (Of course, you are free to keep it in your own home). It sounds like the president is being unreasonable since he walks his own pet through communal areas - but if it's always on a lead, and only entering and leaving.......

I wonder why he is so against your cat? I'm quite sure it is not due to fowling, since all cats are scrupulously clean, and it's highly unlikely that he/she leaves any trace of faeces in the garden. Is it by any chance an un-castrated male? If so, this could be the problem, as he may be marking is territory in a rather pungent way! Castrating him will eliminate the smell, and also keep him closer to home, since it will curb his urge to wander (in pursuit of the ladies).

To anybody who has cats here in Spain, whether male or female, I strongly urge you to have them all neutered anyway. It's the responsible thing to do. Apart from the obvious problem of ever-expanding stray populations, by reducing their natural instincts to mingle with other cats, you will also greatly reduce the chances of them becoming infected with FIV, which is rife here. If you can keep your cat away from communal areas, and other cats, especially strays, you will be doing him/her a big favour.

 

 

I'm afraid I agree with your president, who wants cat or any other type of feces on the area where your children or grandchildren will be playing. As you say your community rules state "no animals allowed in community areas", end of.

thank you for your reply roberto. no both my cats have been castrated and also have had all their injections and both are micro-chipped just in case one of them disappears suddenly!!!!  i feel that it is not so much my cats as they are very friendly and only go out a few hours during the day, we keep them in at night. It is more to do with us owning them. As there as been a porblem about the cats since we installed a cat flap and at the agm meeting the cat flap was voted on that it could stay.  I feel that as wiith all communities there are many more problems that are more serious to deal with. i.e parking in dangerous places when there are parking spaces underground and cracks in the building.!!!!!!

The president still breaks the rules by walking the dog on a lead while in the community. one rule for one.????

thank you for your reply tinto. but the president is saying that all seven stray cats can stay and ours are to be kept in.  Its that tray cats i have seen cr....ping on the lawns and not burying it  as they have not been litter trained.  why does that president also belong to pads and sits on the governing board?????????

a charity for animals that doesnt believe cruelty to all animals. one of the cat owners is deciding to give his cat to a refuge over this!!


This message was last edited by debwal on 4/22/2008.

I am not saying I agree with all your president is doing, but the rules are there for a reason. When we bought our apartment one of the factors taken into account was that pets were not allowed in the community. Do you think it would be fair to myself now if some people brought pets into our community? I don't think so.

so why not get rid of the strays too!!!!!!!!!! why feed seven of them daily?????????

I'm sorry but I totally agree, if the community rules state no pets, then no pets it should be. Our community has the same rules, then one cat was bought in, then two, then three and so on. Eventually there were cats doing their business in the gardens, the kiddies sand pit, up against your doors, the smell was terrible. We had to be carefull about leaving the doors open as cats were comming into the house. Eventually the president sent threats to all the owners and thankfully we are now cat free.

This is not in disagreement ............. rules are rules and if the rules say no animals, then it should be no animals.

However, in our Urbinisation there is a severe element of hypocracy for the following reasons: The rules say No Animals are allowed in the community. The president is thretening to take Cat owners to Court .... there are 3 or 4 cat owners out of 120 apartments.

The president recently paid to have 7 wild cats doctored and allows them to freely wander over the grounds of the community and c**p in the gardens. She also walks her dog in the community, allowing it to p**s and c**p on the grounds of the community (OK, she picks it up, but leaves pieces of feaces on the ground).

She has clearly stated that she will allow the wild cats to continue wandering over the grounds, continue walking her dog ...... but the 4 domestic cats must not go into community grounds.

She is OK with wild cats c**p, but not that of a domestic cat!

Total hypocrite I think you will all agree?

also prior to the cats being in the community, there was a huge rat problem with rats dropping on our cars. surely this is more of a problem to deal with?


This message was last edited by debwal on 4/22/2008.

Hi Debwal

I agree, she should either enforce the rule for all (including strays) or relook at the rule.  I love cats but don't have any now since I lost my last cat, because we are moving to spain in 2-3 years & don't want the hassle & restrictions from community rules regarding pets.

Could you not ask for a meeting with all owners (including president & the security guard) & come to some sort of agreement?

C

wings

Surely the place to bring up the disparity in how you are being treated is at the community meetings, have you tried this?

If no cats for Debs then no strays & no dog for President. One rule for all as Debs says.

thanks for your replies.  yes there has been several meetings and discussions regarding this. one was an email sent to us while we were on holiday to say that there is less cats c...p around the pools since our cats have bben in the kennels. another was a  note on the board to all cat owners to pick up their cats c...p and the last meeting, not a agm one my husband arrived with the original rules of the community explained how they had been changed to no cats in the gardens areas. dogs must be on a lead!!!!! Even then my husband agreed to help by finding out about a solution that you put on gardens to stop cats going there and he sent an email to the president regarding this and also how much it would cost per cat owner. but following this there was a disagreement with her husband who was very rude and she called my husband a p...k!

so we decided to take the other cat owners stance and stop our help and take a back seat which has resulted in this scenerio!

and may i just add that i recently had a migraine lasting longer then two weeks and had to undergo a brain scan. scary sfuff. all was clear and they diagnosed theproblem as STRESS.

Question is why do you have a cat when it states that you should not. Did you not know of this rule or did you chose to ignore it.

We purchased the apartment in 2003 and we had our cat in 1998. We were never told about the rules until AFTER we bought the place! We had the apartment for 2 years before we moved ina and came here on regualr holidays and there were many cats roaming the community and when we moved here, ours joined it. The president even authorised a cat flap .....  please answer this .......... why authorise the cat flap if cats are not allowed?

However, you seem to be missing the point Tinto ........... we are not disputing stopping our cats from using the gardens, we just object to being told that WE have to obey the rule, when the PRESIDENT decides that SHE does not want to obey the rules.

The President of this community likes to insist on rules being obeyed, but is prepared to break them herself OR she likes to modify rules for her own benefit!!!

Well.... " our community president wants to take us to court(using our community fees that we pay)"

Taking you to court with your own money. That is rather insulting to you and members of the community. Considering the circumstances i would seriously suggest for your community to take action leading to a re-election of a new president if possible.

Anyone can perceive the concept of a 'no animals' policy. But taking into consideration what i have read from your posts you live in an area of a vast amount of stray/wild animals so it is inevitable that your community grounds shall have 'visitors' at some point unless security in the surrounding area is constantly monitored or adapted to a point that it will probably affect another factor of the community. Such as cost implication, the interference with surrounding views or even possibly safety depending on the plan of action.

"I'm afraid I agree with your president, who wants cat or any other type of feces on the area where your children or grandchildren will be playing. As you say your community rules state "no animals allowed in community areas", end of." Erm... has this person been reading the posts? Reference to below.

Another thing..... These people ridicule you and your husband despite committing the most obvious contradiction imaginable. Having a dog of course which you state is walked around the very grounds that the 'no animals' policy applies for. Who lacks intelligence to the point they would take someone to court in that situation, that is the same as nullifying their own complaint let alone further limiting any chance they have in court by stating the stray cats can stay. What is the defining factor? The length of time the animals are exposed to the community grounds? The size of the s**t? I would suggest supervised exposure to the outdoors with a lead or something so they can go about their 'business' Then it can be controlled and ensured personally the cats are not leaving 'presents' anywhere so any factual analysis of change can go in your favour. Sad for it to be suggested really especially when the president has stated the stray cats can stay. Well thats a suggestion anyway.

There are quite obviously more important issues to discuss at community meetings. I mean what is next? "Someone from the community came round my apartment and pi***d on the toilet seat" Controlled urinating of community toilet facilities policy next? Pathetic, so that is more of an issue than rats? Well i dont know about anyone else but i would rather wake up to a dung on the grass than a rat outbreak in the area. Feces is self conclusive anyway, it will biodegrade amongst  the dirt. Say a domesticated animal leaves its 'business' in a public place that one might visit regularly you would not consider taking anybody to court. It is a natural thing. I mean what, would the president rather live in an 'Alcatraz' environment?

It ponders the question why did they consider moving to a community environment when they evidently have such individual needs? If people where as petty as they are then the world would a very fictitious and sad place to be. I would suggest isolation for these morons. There is no place in a community for people like that. Especially not to be run by them, it seems biased and unreasonable in their favour. That is not communal at all....... One of the most skewed version of Ethics i have encountered.....

The best of luck to you both!!!

P.S. I apologize for how derogatory my response may seem but it really is a farce and a complete waste of everyones time involved!!!



This message was last edited by MLW_idiot-basher on 4/29/2008.

i would think no cats or stray cats and no dogs for anyone is the only fair way. No crap on the lawns and other areas, no risk of being bitten by dog, and no risk of cats torturing birds and small animals to death. 

Anything else but a total ban sounds very  unfair to me.

Well said goodstich & idiot basher. At least you have supporters in our EOS camp, Debs.

Goodstich, how are you ? Haven't "seen" you around in a while. From reading posts by you in *** I gather it's still all up in the air & I'm sorry it's not resolved yet. Regards to you.

yes i agree . but we do live in a country where there is a huge problem with stray animals roaming around.  So to reinforce the( no animals in the community ban) would mean installing more fencing making our community more like alcatraz!   So how can this rule stand?

This message was last edited by debwal on 4/29/2008.

You may like to note that it is illegal in Spain to feed stray animals.

Thats  interesting.  So you are telling me that while my cats (that i am now keeping indoors,) are looking out of the window watching the other stray cats basking in the sun, after being fed by our security man ( with whom our president is fully aware of them being fed by him) is doing so illegally?

Debs, certainly seems to be ...  READ HERE under header of Nerja animal feeding organised

(I quite like their idea of a cat cafe )

so do i but i couldnt eat a whole one...............