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Friday, October 12, 2007
deak321
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FIR TREES HAVE TWO CAUSING DAMAGE TO A BOUNDRY WALL AM I ALLOWED TO TAKE THEM DOWN
DOES ANYBODY NOW I GET GETTING DIFFERANT STORIES
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12 Oct 2007 4:47 PM
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Not sure about spain - so this response may be quite redundant really - but I know a friend in Bagshot, Surrey whose neighbour planted a "christmas" tree (spruce, I think) and has had agony over the years, with the roots trailing across his driveway and it's now about 20 metres tall. Only problem is he can't remove it, because the neighbours got the local "whatever" (environmentalist or what) to slap an "preservation" thing on it and it can't be removed because it's protected!!!
I believe he has slowly been pouring engine oil around it's roots!!! Got to kill it slowly! (By the way, the neighbours were French!!)
(Edited to say: I've nothing against the French - but he has!!)
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12 Oct 2007 6:43 PM
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Try copper nails or rock salt ( I didn't say that ) 
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12 Oct 2007 7:07 PM
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diesel fuel will do the trick 100% but only a bit at a time
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12 Oct 2007 7:13 PM
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Sorry,
Just re read the original question. Who do the Fir trees belong to? 
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12 Oct 2007 7:28 PM
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We had bother with our neighbour's conifers breaking up our patio, wanna see pics ????? DON'T TEMPT ME !!
We (hubby that is, the Royal "we" here) hammered copper piping cut into pieces into trees as well as digging a very deep trench on our land & chopping all roots on our land too in hope the blessed things would fall her way in strong winds.. Thankfully, after we'd paid out for an arboriculturalist's report, her insurance company told her she ought to have them chopped down which she did but so much hassle actually proving without a shadow of a doubt that it was her conifers that had been sole problem. She only had two cut down to ground level but has had others cut annually to agreed 3.5 metres as per arboriculturalist's report. Ruddy things shouldn't be allowed in estates with small gardens. Wait till we get to Spain as a neighbour's plonked a spiky palm by boundary. Here we go again.........................
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13 Oct 2007 4:40 AM
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Morerosado, palms don't have an invasive root system, their roots tend to grow deep rather than spread. Should never have a problem with palms near walls, pools, etc.
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13 Oct 2007 10:48 AM
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When I said "here we go again" I was meaning the hassles trying to get a neighbour to react favourably when their trees etc cause others problems. The spikey palm our neighbours in Spain have put in about a foot from the boundary has huge "leaves" that are already around 15" over onto our side by where we get out of our car. As we have their email address we could let them know that they have options. Either tie back "leaves" to trunk till the palm grows higher & it won't be the problem it is now or we shall lop them off next trip. Don't want to antagonise them as they're moving across permanently if they sell in the UK.
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13 Oct 2007 3:24 PM
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hi all thanks for the replies the trees are in my garden i meant legally can i cut them down or are the protected
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13 Oct 2007 3:48 PM
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Deak, this is a forum pretty much dedicated to buying & living in Spain. I know we all deviate from that subject but it's going rather far when we are asked about if your fir trees in the UK are protected or not, don't you think ? If you don't know if they're protected how are we to know, Deak. Go enquire at your local planning authority’s offices.
To try to help you out, cos I'm a great member  check this out http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/pdf/131055
Look at Bookmarks point 4.
4 How can I find out if a tree is covered by an order?
Details of orders are available for inspection at the local planning
authority’s offices.
An official search of the local land charges register can also be
made before you purchase a property. This should reveal the
existence of a tree preservation order (or whether your property is
in a conservation area). Make sure your solicitor tells you if any
trees are protected.
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13 Oct 2007 4:20 PM
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Are you in the UK or Spain, Deak321? You don't seem to mention, so far as I can see. Either way, it is something you will have to check out locally with the authorities, I would think. Just in case!
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13 Oct 2007 4:25 PM
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whats the fine if you cut down a fir tree not knowing it had a preservation order? Maybe its worth it?
I didnt think they put preservation orders on fir trees
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13 Oct 2007 4:31 PM
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May depend on what type, but I know for sure that the one that was ripping up our friend's driveway was protected, after his neighbours called in the "tree police"!
Absolutely massive it was! I'm sure the engine oil is starting to work now though!
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13 Oct 2007 4:36 PM
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ah there is always a way!
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13 Oct 2007 4:50 PM
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Never heard of TPO's on fir trees. If they are yours you can cut them down. Are you sure they are Firs?
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13 Oct 2007 5:45 PM
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hi all i have what will be my full time home next year house is in spain some of my neighbours say cut it down others say becareful but i dont know what to be careful of
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13 Oct 2007 5:49 PM
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I saw this though regarding felling of protected fir trees. read 5.1
http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/%5Cdrftp%5C13827.asp
5.1 An application has been received for the felling of five Pine trees which are protected by a County Tree Preservation Order: South Lodge, (1979).
When I Googled it came up after I'd Googled for "protected fir trees " & the draft relates to pine trees at an address called FIR TREE COPSE.
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13 Oct 2007 5:50 PM
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Hi Deak321,
Do check with your local council/authority where you are in Spain. It may differ from region to region, I don't know. But check it out before you do anything!!
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13 Oct 2007 5:52 PM
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Aha Deak, see we are all so intrigued now. Can I ask that, in your next post, you give us a few more clues in your initial post. Just gets us to the answer, with luck, lots quicker. 
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13 Oct 2007 5:53 PM
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Oh just lop them down & plead insanity. After a few months in here it comes to everyone. 
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