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In one part of the property I am buying the previous owner started but didn't finish a renovation project. The previous owner added a partition wall with a gap for the door. this gap is lines with coarse timbers. He is also leaving the door he wanted to fit, but there isn't actually a door frame as such.
Can I pick your collective brains on this one? Is it difficult to buy the necessary timbers, make a frame and hang the door myself, or is this a precision job for which I opught to have a man come in?
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In one part of the property I am buying the previous owner started but didn't finish a renovation project. The previous owner added a partition wall with a gap for the door. this gap is lines with coarse timbers. He is also leaving the door he wanted to fit, but there isn't actually a door frame as such.
Can I pick your collective brains on this one? Is it difficult to buy the necessary timbers, make a frame and hang the door myself, or is this a precision job for which I opught to have a man come in?
It's not that difficult to buy the wood, it's not that difficult to make a frame, it's a little fiddly to hang a door, best is to ask how much the wood, the fittings, etc, then ask a carpenter how much to supply frame and fit door into, compare the two, difference of say 50€...get the man in.
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Good advice from Baz1946, none of it is difficult if you know what you are doing,however if your not confident to do it get somebody in, it will be cheaper than having to replace the door if it all goes wrong
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Simple stuff, really, but are you competent in woodworking????
One can't help but wonder how the property was surveyed for proposed purchase though????
Good luck in what sounds like a new venture.
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I'm not technically-minded at all, but seem to remember the word 'lintel' being thrown about a lot on projects we've done - something to do with making sure the door frame is properly supported, so the wall above it doesn't collapse, I think, but I'm sure I'll be corrected. In my experience, you'd still have to mention this type of thing to the carpenter, as it might not cross their mind...
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To my mind a partition wall is a non supporting wall made from studwork in which case it wouldn't need a lintel. I could be wrong though. If it's a solid wall built from blocks, clay pots or bricks of any type it would need the lintel.
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It could always be a petition wall, all the petitions I've seen if they are any good seem to have lots of support
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The "frame" that goes inside the support timbers is called a "door lining" & are available as pre-formed kitseven here in Spain.
They come as bare ,flat linings or with the beading that the door shuts against.
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remember you need to get permission from the government to do this.
so he needs to give you all the paperwork from when he applied or it all needs ripping down.
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Dear All,
as usual there is little actual detail, which is surprising since it is so easy to upload photos.
if it is a single door, you could put a head on your lining to take lightweight blocks or simlar in a partiton wall, also a good height of block wall above the opening forms a bridge and gives extra strength.
but all this diy structural stuff must be infringeing someone's job in the EC.
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people forget you need to get permission to even do the smallest of worlks on a house and then complain when they have problems.
if you havent bought the house fully you need to check if everything is 100% before you do because if someone is banging up walls here there and everywhere that could be a red flag.
if you have bought it be very careful what you do because you may find yourself with an illigial house that needs lots of retrospective permissions and will be costly to fix when you come to sell.
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OK this was the ‘Q’
The previous owner added a partition wall with a gap for the door ………… there isn't actually a door frame as such.
Is it difficult to buy the necessary timbers, make a frame and hang the door myself, or is this a precision job for which I ought to have a man come in?
‘A’ Relatively simple if you have some basic skills. I did basic woodwork at school and have made several 'doorways' and fitted doors, all paid work. One job was for a retired master carpenter, who paid me more than the quote, for my good work.
Now it is even easier to see how to proceed, as the internet will show you.
As Mungry said “you need to get permission from the government to do this.” It’s the local authority (town hall) not the government. In Spain one needs a building licence to do almost anything even re-tiling.
It maybe that the previous owner got the licence to do the work. If he did not it may be simpler to let sleeping dogs lie and just finish the work without making it obvious to passing local police officers.
This message was last edited by johnzx on 21/03/2013.
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I honestly thought Mungry was joking about the permission and that's why I added my further 'joke' about paying a tax. How farcical to have to get permission for a tiny thing, when I've seen my neighbours throw up massive buildings in the countryside without a single permission (of course, they do set themselves up for trouble, sometimes can't get electricity etc). So my flippant comment about having to pay the authorities to place a door in a door frame inside your private property was probably inadvertently true - as they very rarely ever give you a piece of paper for free.
I think I would take the advice of the former police officer and flout the law on this one.
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Sounds like from the person's first post that the partition wall is a covered wooden frame with a hole that needs a door fitted into it, sounds not a permanent fixture just something to make one large room into two smaller rooms.
Also sounds like the poster will never sell this house so any arising problems will be someone Else's problem, one way or the other.
Fit the dam door, don't pay the taxes, don't get planning permission, don't tell anyone, if you sell and the new buyers don't like the wall..... take the non-permanent wall down.
Of course the other option is tell everyone, perhaps pay for any planning permission, pay any increase in taxes....Getting to be quite an expensive door now, isn't it?
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Egg cup,
I did not actually use the words which you ascribe to me, "flout the law" although in this particular case (never generally) that may more or less amounts to what I suggested.
The ‘small works’ building licence, I seem to remember is 5% of the estimated cost of the work, and the application could not be more simple. I seem to recall that my ‘estimates’ were always on the ‘low side’ !!
Baz,
I think you have painted a much gloomier picture than the circumstances here would suggest is the case.
A note of warning
A mate of mine was fined the equivalent of over 300 euros for re-tiling his kitchen without a licence, and that was 12 years ago when 300 euros was, were pesetas, which were worth 'a lot more' than 300 euros are now !
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Baz,
I think you have painted a much gloomier picture than the circumstances here would suggest is the case.
How gloomier?...It's a door...That's all.
Pretty sure this is the same person that in an earlier post has said they wont ever sell the house, so chances are they wont ever be found out about the wall.
And as Eggcup said many folk in Spain have built bigger things and never anything done about them....Whats the chance with a door and a possible movable wall.
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And now we have news about the possibility of a catastral amnesty to begin some time in 2013 and to run until approx 2013. A one-off payment of €60 to regularise all building works / extensions / additions. Not applicable if the property isn't already on the catastro, but very useful for people who suspect that a whole lot of work may have been done without the town hall's bit of paper.
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Fit the damn door, don't pay the taxes, don't get planning permission, don't tell anyone, if you sell and the new buyers don't like the wall....
Well Baz as I said,
A mate of mine was fined the equivalent of over 300 euros for re-tiling his kitchen without a licence, and that was 12 years ago when 300 euros was, were pesetas, which were worth 'a lot more' than 300 euros are now !
And all for a few minutes in the town hall and a few euros.
I personally would not take the risk of the police noticing me taking in or out building materials, or a neighbour, annoyed at the noise I was making, calling the local police.
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Tamara amnesty to begin some time in 2013 and to run until approx 2013 ????
I hope you enjoyed St Patricks Day as much as I did.
This message was last edited by johnzx on 21/03/2013.
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