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A Foot in Two Campos

Thoughts from a brand new home-owner in the Axarquía region of Málaga. I hope there might be some information and experiences of use to other new purchasers, plus the occasional line to provoke thought or discussion.

21 - Paper, Scissors, Stone
Friday, September 21, 2012 @ 2:06 PM

I don’t think they’re doing it on purpose.  It feels like they are, but I really truly don’t think they are.  You must have experienced it?  You pass a neighbor or a stranger in the street, you both nod, and you grunt out a greeting.  “¡Hola!”, or perhaps “¡Buenos días!”, or sometimes just “¡Buenos!”.  And whichever you pick, 99% of the time they reply with a different one.  Why?  I refuse to believe it’s some sort of contrariness!

So maybe it’s a game?  Maybe it is like paper, scissors, stone.  But I don’t know the rules.  I don’t know whether “¡Buenos días!” trumps “¡Hola!” or the other way round.

It’s a problem.  My morning walk while the coffee is filtering, round the edge, look at the views down towards Riogordo, back past the panadería, and home with the bread, generally involves me having to choose which greeting to use about 12 – 15 times.  I count it as a draw if “¡Buenos días!” is greeted with merely “¡Buenos!”.  I lose if “¡Hola!” is returned with anything involving “¡Buenos!”, or viceversa.  I win only if the reply is the same as my greeting.

I’m lucky to get back with the bread and a score of more than two.

 

 

© Tamara Essex 2012



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Gerald said:
Friday, September 21, 2012 @ 12:21 PM

Perhaps Tamara you are not supposed to reply with the same greeting?
Being a couple of thousand miles away (alright then 3600 kilometres!) I don't know but perhaps you may have to change your scoring method or I can see you never winning.
How's the car?


mac75 said:
Friday, September 21, 2012 @ 12:24 PM

HA HA HA! That is really curious I had never even thought of that as an issue before but I can understand it, and I've been living here 15 years. Really funny. The fact is there is no rule, a part from Buenos dias is said before 12 midday more or less and Buenas trades after.
Buenas is said all day as a generic, and Hola is too. None of them require a specific response by rule, you say it as you wish. So yes it is very much Paper, Scissors,Stone!!!!! Don't let it drive you mad though no one is wondering why you answered Hola when they said Buenas!


Patricia (Campana) said:
Friday, September 21, 2012 @ 2:04 PM

Don't worry about it, Tamara. It's quite normal. I've lived in Spain nearly all my life and found that greetings can be exchanged in many ways.



moonbeam said:
Friday, September 21, 2012 @ 2:24 PM

I know exactly what you mean!!! I live in Catalunya, and moved here with my job amost 25 years ago. I have the problem that if I give the greeting in Catalan it is returned in Spanish, but if I give the greeting in Spanish it is returned in Catalan!!

Why don´t you try an experiment by not initiating the greeting one day, just nod and see which greeting is used most frequently in your village by the inhabitants. Then try that one with everybody the next day and let us know what happens.

Like your blog - interesting and nice style.


Patricia (Campana) said:
Friday, September 21, 2012 @ 3:04 PM

Back in Ireland you can say "good morning" and the reply can be "hello there!". Or vice versa. Sometimes it is "good day to you".

So, not just in Spain!




jane said:
Saturday, September 22, 2012 @ 6:30 AM

I think Gerald is right, Tamara. I had been wondering for ten years or more by the time I finally asked a Spaniard why it is that when I say ¡hasta luego! the response always seems to be ¡adios! and vice versa and he said it is customary not to respond with the same greeting. I am not sure I have ever noticed it with what is said on meeting rather than parting but will look out for it now..


Alan Talbot said:
Saturday, September 22, 2012 @ 9:38 AM

How luvky to get a reply. The last time I was in London I walked into the breakfast room, said a harty good morning and the reply was what the Spanish refer to as "un prosecion de silencio."
Incidently the rule change from buenas dias to buenas tardy (at least in Andalucia depends on wheather you have had lunch or not.


Tony Turtle said:
Saturday, September 22, 2012 @ 11:25 AM

The one that confused me was "Adios!" as a greeting when passing in the street, until I realised that "adios" is not "goodbye" but a corruption of "to god".

I agree the Spanish Afternoon (Buenos Tardes) is a movable feast, normally after 3 p.m. but don't rely on that. My usual thought is that after I have had a siesta, that's "Tarde".

Buenos Noche finishes the day and is used when you won't see someone until the next day (after supper, usully about 10p.m. onwards).

I hope that makes the mud a little clearer.


Luis said:
Saturday, September 22, 2012 @ 11:47 AM

Hello, Tamara: Mac75 is on right when he says that in Spain we say: "Buenos dias", before 12 midday and "Buenas tardes", after it.And, of course, there is no fixed rule, because many people say: "Buenas!", but I never say it, because I do not like it; I think that it hear so uggly.Then, I use to say: "Hola, Buenos dias", or "Hola, buenas tardes", or simply "Hola", or "Buenos dias", "Buenas tardes", "Buenas noches". I think that "Buenas" is a new fashion, but I repeat you that I do not like at all.Anyway, you have freedom for saying as you wish.My best regards for you and for everybody.Luis.


Valerie White said:
Saturday, September 22, 2012 @ 12:15 PM

Oh, Tamara, I have only been here just over a year and have had the same problem. I thought maybe it was me getting it wrong. I know that Buenos Dias is for the morning and Buenas Tarde is for afternoon/evening, but there is, as you say, also Buenas and Hola. And I have had Spanish people (well, possibly only two) who have said Hallo to me when they meant Goodbye - even stranger! I am also confused when I say to my shopkeeper Hasta Luego and she replies Adios and vice versa. It is all very confusing but maybe we are not getting it wrong - it is possible that it is not polite to respond in the same manner. Who knows?


Valerie White said:
Saturday, September 22, 2012 @ 12:17 PM

Oh, Tamara, I have only been here just over a year and have had the same problem. I thought maybe it was me getting it wrong. I know that Buenos Dias is for the morning and Buenas Tarde is for afternoon/evening, but there is, as you say, also Buenas and Hola. And I have had Spanish people (well, possibly only two) who have said Hallo to me when they meant Goodbye - even stranger! I am also confused when I say to my shopkeeper Hasta Luego and she replies Adios and vice versa. It is all very confusing but maybe we are not getting it wrong - it is possible that it is not polite to respond in the same manner. Who knows?
I was told when I first moved over here that it was polite to say Buenos Dias if you did not know the person and Hola once you did know them but that seems not to be the case here in my village either.


David H said:
Saturday, September 22, 2012 @ 1:25 PM

However Spanish people greet me I try to reply with an alternative expression; just so I don't sound like a parrot.
Spaniards saying 'hello' for 'goodbye' is quite common, I occasionally make similar mistakes in Spanish when I'm off-guard, then walk away wondering what they think of me!
Adios means 'to god' like goodbye means 'god be with ye', it's just how expressions have evolved. A German friend once warned me to expect to be greeted in Bavaria with an expression meaning 'it's lunch time', even though it's not!


Tamara said:
Saturday, September 22, 2012 @ 1:27 PM

I'm so grateful that everyone is taking this so seriously! To be honest, it was just a light-hearted post, and then Justin highlighted it as though l needed help! This was about my early morning walk for bread - l DO know to change to "Buenas tardes" in the afternoon. :-)


Paul said:
Saturday, September 22, 2012 @ 1:45 PM

Just be glad that you don't live in rural Malaga province. Here we also have "bon dia" in addition to the other greetings!


Tamara said:
Saturday, September 22, 2012 @ 2:02 PM

Umm .... I DO live in rural Málaga province! I was more used to the dropping of S and stopping half way through a word where l used to be, just over the Córdoba border, but am relieved how clearly the majority of Colmenar residents speak.


Patricia (Campana) said:
Saturday, September 22, 2012 @ 5:43 PM

Right on, Luis!

I know what you mean, Tamara. LOL.

And then of course, a smile often speaks more than a thousand words.

Who cares. Buenos días, buenas tardes, adíos, vaya con díos, hola, ....the degree to which you know the person you are greeting....

In places like Cádiz, you might expect an acquaintance to greet you with the words ¡plaza mayor! or ¡ catedral!

Have a good week-end everyone.
Patricia




watchmanager said:
Saturday, September 22, 2012 @ 6:14 PM

Buenos Dias can be used all day. This actually means GOOD DAYS (Plural) You may hear Bueno Dia which is actually more correct at being 'Good day' !
As for a different response - Just think what you say in England. "Hello" You may get the response "Hello" back but you are equally likely to get the response "Good Morning" - "Hiya" - "Morning" "Evening" etc. So you see it's not just the Spanish that does it, is it? The Spanish will thank you anyway for having a go!


Patricia (Campana? said:
Monday, September 24, 2012 @ 7:21 PM

En todo caso es "buen dia"


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