28 Aug 2009 1:34 PM:

We have spent 3 weeks at Don Juan this visit and have watched people come and go and we have used more of the facllities that we would normally. Our time spent has been wonderful and it is still a great place to live or visit and we need to make sure it stays that way. It has been quieter this year as alot of apartments seem to be unoccupied but it has to be remembered that when the economies all over the world pick up then Don Juan like other areas will start to get back the tourism it has lost and we need to be prepared so what is wrong with making sure we have rules/regulations/laws/statutes or whatever you want to call them put in place now. It has already been too long so we need to get these resolved as quickly as possible.

Community - Body of people having common rights, privilages or interests or living in the same place under the same laws and regulations................ ( can I just ask why does this not apply to any new future owners ? ) If they are expected to pay community fees then the rules would be issued to them which would need to be adhered to as what is being implied is that years from now when properties have changed hands no-one on the site will have to obey any rules atall ???? That cannot be right surely. Do we really want Don Juan turning into a shanty town ?

I have spent time at the pools and whilst I agree that some of the behaviour needs to be controlled  - (which the proposed rules should cover) -  generally people attend the pools to relax, play,cool off, socialise etc and allowances need to be made for this but also the attendees need to be made aware to show respect and consideration to others whilst there ( cleaning up after themselves etc ). If we do not have a detailed list of what is and is not allowed, which can be left in apartments or posted in communal areas, then what else can be expected but a free for all. At least if there is something it is a starting point to ensure that unacceptable behaviour is dealt with and it will give others something to point out if necessary. There does have to be a certain amount of consideration for the people who live closest to these areas but by the same token they need to understand that it is to be expected - people want to enjoy themselves in this area and if peace and quiet was what they wanted then why live by a communal pool ? By the way they do not appear to be in a bad state of repair and whilst certain improvements need to be made when community funds allow close ups of specific bits of the pool makes it look worse than it really is. By the way we all have our cross to bear we live by the bins that are emptied every night at 2 am !

There have been a couple of instances of really loud music and partying and again this is totally acceptable as long as everyone knows what the rules/regulations/laws allow for this sort of activity. If no-one is aware of what is right then how do they know they are doing wrong ? At least give everyone the chance to behave in a socially acceptable way using the agreed and voted on rules that the majority of owners/ residents wish to see put in place. We had an example last night of totally unacceptable noise levels by renters which was resolved by banging on their door to shut them up. Now, do they know that they should not have been that inconsiderate ? At least if there was something obvious written down we have a chance to deal with it. Pet owners seem to be taking more responsibility for their animals and what they do which is great to see but again it is important for the whole community that owners are aware of what is acceptable for the health/ safety and pleasure of everyone. - what is wrong with that ?

There does seem to be young children wandering around at times unaccompanied and not only by the pool - My worry about that is certain areas of Don Juan are not entirely safe and what would happen in the case of an accident and also have we all forgot about Madeleine McCann unsavoury and dangerous people are everywhere and her parents thought she was safe. We do not have a gated community so anyone can come and go as they please

Whether all the proposals satisfy everyone or not why is the committee still being subjected to negativity towards trying to make a better place for us and protect our overall enjoyment and investments. We thought this had all been resolved months ago at the previous EGM when various accusations and arguments were flying about then which were proved to be incorrect and thrown out. Please lets get down to what is really important and again not get lost in the 'detail´. We can appreciate that things need to be agreed democratically but the rules proposed are no different to what is in place in other communities which begs the question what is all this negativity really about ? It would be better if people had concerns to express them of course but in a supportive way and suggest where areas of improvement could be made. Why the need to go to lawyers for everything confuses me  - what is that all about - It appears again that there is some hidden agenda which is potentially dividing the community - and why ? We are in a very fortunate position at Don Juan as the majority of people want it to be the best and we need to work together to make sure it is. We need to move on and start to make improvements instead of going over old ground all the time. It is all taking far too long.

I hope everyone has made sure that their vote will be counted and again we offer our full support to the committee as where things have been changed so far it has been for the better. Everywhere looks well kept and clean and as said before it is still a beautiful place to be and lets make sure it stays that way.  

 

Community thread: The August 2009 EGM

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28 Mar 2009 6:04 PM:

carol 12 - come on now enough is enough - everyone on this forum recently has tried to accomodate your concerns real or not. You seem hell bent on being as difficult as you can and not accepting either the hand of friendship or the plain simple facts that have been explained over and over again. It is now becoming very tiresome and I am sure along with others questions are being raised about your real intentions.

Committee members have requested that you deal with them direct, 'neighbours' have requested you reveal yourself - ie where do you live, what is your nationality, what is your family situation etc etc to no avail.These are  the normal things we have all disclosed to each other both face to face when we have had the pleasure of meeting  and also on the forum over the years- ( if you care to read back on previous threads). David in fact resurrected that thread not so long ago with no reponse from you. Perhaps you would like to introduce yourself to Max and Irene who have said they would love to arrange a garden party for all during the easter break. I understand these have been very successful in cementing the community and as yet there does not appear to be enough for an EGM so perhaps we can all chat over a sangria or two. It may be the only opportunity you have to discuss your worries with us all.There appears to be only one person who knows of you -( i think it was Max)- and I am sure you do not wish this lonely existence to continue.

It is a real pity as you have single handedly managed to ruin what was a very useful source of information. Along with many others that read and often contribute to this forum we are now retreating from any further input. We gladly accept that our committee will keep us informed by whatever other means available to them - ( we will accept all information by e.mail) -and no matter how much you try to discredit them they have our full support ! They must be allowed to continue their work and this constant sniping over the same old issues is not condusive to creating a harmonious existence. All this timewasting could be better spent don't you think ?

Community thread: Request for extraordinary meeting

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12 Mar 2009 11:10 AM:

Hi Irene/Max

Perhaps between you a great evening could be organised to get as many neighbours together as possible. Just advise when and where and we will be there

 

Community thread: The chit-chat area

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08 Mar 2009 10:04 PM:

Westport has a point and with names like Brett and Carol why are the posts appearing to be very bad translations into english ?

Community thread: Request for extraordinary meeting

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07 Mar 2009 5:47 PM:

We tend to agree with SRS too much emphasis is being placed on this 'face to face' meeting. The issues that the concerned neighbours have (which incidentally are of concern to us also) - have already been pointed out in various posts on this site and have been discussed and considered over the previous months already. We agree that the committee needs to make sure all neighbours are kept informed somehow on a regular basis of work being done and any actions being taken by whatever means possible. This hopefully would alleviate peoples worries and stop any paranoia developing.

Persistantly insisting on an EGm and 'face to face' meetings seems a bit like rallying the troops for a battle which is the worry as though there is a some sort of hidden agenda. There is nothing in the points made that we can see that have not already been raised and would actually benefit from this face to face discussion and would actually speed up any resolutions. If there are other situations that really should be pointed out to the community - ~(as BrettD seems to be indicating and perhaps should PM everyone with whatever it is) -then they should be so we can make an informed decision on whether this EGM is absolutely justified and would be beneficial.

There seems to be too much innuendo going on which leads us to believe this is not entirely general concerns atall. Let us be made aware of everything if we have not been already.  We are sure that all committee members are approachable or contactable in some form  and why the' worried neighbours' are not contacting them direct is beyond us. Max and Saskia have always been very active members of the community and will always try and help as they are some of only a few permanent residents there, (and their efforts should be applauded of course) but let us remember  Max is no longer on the committee by his own choice and we are sure would rather be approaching and treating the board the same way as the rest of us and not appearing to be part of some sort of a revolt. It is best for all of these 'worried neighbours' to stop imposing on their good nature and deal directly with the existing committee to get their concerns dealt with positively in the correct manner. The tone of some of the posts on EOS is enough to indicate that the meeting will just be a massive slanging match and will still not achieve the results that every one is seeking. In fact it could potentially harm the existing committee and lead to members standing down - why would anyone want that ?  We need continuity. There are many cultural differences but our fears and needs are all the same and the only way forward is to work harmoniously together.

Why not let the committee ( who have been elected by us ) answer the points raised already  - most of which are outside of their immediate control at present and some were left unresolved from the previous committee, who certainly had longer than 100 days to try and resolve them. We should all be able to voice our concerns and be taken seriously at any time and the committee members are all aware of their responsibility and will deal with everyone one of them when they can. As David stated let them be judged at the end of the term by the results achieved. They are our neighbours aswell lets not forget and will always want what is best for us all and Don Juan. Elected governments get at least four years and still don't get it right or appear to achieve anything.

Trying to discredit our committee will never achieve any sort of unity which we will need in abundance if we are to take on and deal with the major problems that are still with us and probably will be for some time.

Community thread: Request for extraordinary meeting

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